Other Helium vs air shot power comparison for a .22 Notos

While at my local propane supplier recently I noticed that they had 50cf and 100cftanks of compressed (1800psi) 'Balloon grade' for sale or rent. Back in the 1980s, I tested the increase in shot power for different airguns when run on Helium compared to air for posting on the old Yellow Forum. The relatively recent development of high-power PCPs with adjustable regulators and variable power bypasses most of the motivation for increasing airgun shot power by using Helium. But I was still curious to see if using Helium in a friend's regulated .22 Notos carbine would significantly increase the shot power compared to using air.

Here are some test results for the velocity and FPE for 12 kinds of pellets, tested with air and then with Helium. The actual % power increase resulting from using Helium depends on the specific brand of pellet. On average the power gains were roughly in the 40% range (from ~20fpe on air up to~27fpe on Helium). That's a modestly substantial power increase for are relatively low power carbine like the Notos which has limited options for power adjustment.

The topic of Helium has come up many times on different airgun forums over the years. I've rarely seen any actual power curve tables posted with test results for different pellets in different airguns though and wanted to post the results as a reference for anyone searching the forum for Helium. Even though commercial cylinders of Helium were only available in 1800psi (50cf) and 2200psi (100cf) cylinders, it was simple enough to feed low-pressure Helium directly into the intake port on a compressor for 300+ BAR.

It would probably be more interesting to see some air vs Helium power comparisons in the unregulated Huben GK1 pistols at different settings on the power adjustment control. Especially for the Shortened version of the .25 GK1 pistol, which is easier to carry and holster than the standard full-length GK1, but also has a somewhat reduced power output on air compared to the full-sized GK1. It would involve considerably more power tests than on a Notos due to the lack of a regulator and very high gas flow through the GK1 at higher power settings. However, it would also be very interesting to know if a shortened GK1 run on Helium would produce a significantly higher maximum shot power than a standard GK1 run on air. At least for the first few highest-power shots after recharging which people always seem to focus on when posting their 'maximum power produced' results.

JP

Notos velocity and FPE on Air 2024.jpg


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Hey if you want a serious increase, use Hydrogen. For those without a sense of humor IT IS A JOKE. Although it would be very interesting to try.....at a distance.....with a gun I don't care about.....say...someone else's. :cool:
To keep the joke running. There is a gun I don't care about....yours. Send it over for testing and I'll return what's left. HAHaha.

I'm not sure all the extra effort would be required if changing the power output/speed would make it less accurate.

Smitty
 
(Math, I know, ugh, boring.)

Density values in lb/ft^3
rho_He = 0.1107
rho_Air = 0.0765

35% change in density, 44% increase.

20 fpe to 27 fpe = 29% change, 35% increase.

Close nuff.

-Matt
You're correct of course Matt. I got lazy about adding a % fpe change column for each pellet since they vary a bit and the spreadsheet would have provided accurate numbers.

A power increase of about 1/3 is probably a reasonable rule-of-thumb on this particular power plant and settings.

My original Helium tests 35+ years ago were done on a multi-shot .25 Career 707 under lever carbine. It had a power wheel and opened up it topped out at about 65 fpe on air and 105fpe on Helium. At an increase of 38% it's still in the same general range as the regulated Notos.

Helium won't always work as well as air in a particular airgun depending on unique aspects of the design and whether a person can also adjust the hammer and valve spring tension when using Helium. For example, a .22 Shortened Huben GK1 produced somewhat higher power on Helium than on air at 3 revolutions of the power bolt, but the pressure dropped so fast with Helium at that setting that all gas leaked out after the 3rd shot - that was not a problem with air. The Huben uses a unique pressure valve though compared to most airguns, so Huben results there don't necessarily reflect on non-Huben designs.

I can't think of any good reason to use Helium in areas where variable-power compressed gas airguns are legal and available. In jurisdictions where rifles are mechanically restricted to 12fpe, using Helium could temporarily raise the shot power to about 16fpe. But they aren't supposed to do it and people already have access to information on the mechanical modifications of most rifles that would result in the same levels of increased power.

JP
 
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