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I bought a lot of items from Scott over the years. I was well aware of the price differences going in and simply didn't want to wait a while ordering from Stoppers (Roland) in Germany. KRALE isn't the cheapest BTW.

My MOST ACCURATE Walther was purchased from Pilk Guns. Had an issue when first receiving it and he sent spare o-rings for free and quick too.

At least his prices are a lot better than the former Precision Sales for Steyr.

Last order shipping was more than he estimated and he actually ate it since I bought a lot of items from him.

Nice guy over the phone offers free advice on improving triggers and repairing guns when no other info cam be found online based on my own experience that's why I don't mind paying extra it's service related and general helpfulness in my case.

I try to support domestic businesses too that don't bend me over without proper lube.

https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/beware-of-pilkguns-for-high-end-target-guns/#post-968617

PPL DONT NEED MY PERMISSION B4 BUYING ANYTHING. THEY JUSY ASK ME WHERE'S THE CHEAPEST PLACE TO BUY OR IF (AFTER THE FACT) HEY-! I JUST BOUGHT THIS WHAT YO THINK-? THEN I TELL THEM WHERES CHEAPER.


 
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If it's true that the Steyr representative said that the pistol supposed to come with two cylinders from the factory, and the dealer is selling only one cylinder with the gun without any note about the other one...to me that is dishonest. It may also violate the contract/authorization between Steyr and Pilkguns.

This is like having a PCP ship with two magazines from the factory and the dealer removes one from the kit and sells it separately for an additional cost/profit. Or like buying shoes and the store removes the shoelaces so you have to buy it at a mark-up. Or selling a new car and the dealer removes the spare tire and you need to buy if separately. It's petty and criminal. 

Not sure how much Steyr does tolerates having their factory-kits cannibalized and parted out....it does affect their brand-name and how the public views their brand. Same as Cadillac or any car manufacturer would not like to have their cars parted out, thus misrepresented by the dealer. Reminds me of the buffet where one had to pay extra for the salad-dressing for the salad.
 
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Here is the exact sentence in the description of what is included with the LP50 from Pilkington, seems very clear to me;

"Includes:

  • Case, Factory Tools, 200 Bar Fill Adapter, Manual, (1) Compressed Air Cylinder, (2) 5-Shot Magazines, Spare Fill Adapter/ Regulator O-rings, (1) Set of 4 10g Barrel Weights, and (1) Tube of Super Lube"

And a link to the web page so anyone can read it for themselves.

http://www.pilkguns.com/store/Steyr-LP-50-p85257369

The only thing I can see that you might do is see if selling the pistol with only one air cylinder is in violation of Steyr's dealer policy. If that is the case, try to work the issue directly through Steyr.
 
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Steyr on their own website shows that it comes with 2EA cylinders from the factory. I wonder if Pilkington has a special permission to break apart the factory-kit and part it out? I can see that as an option if someone only wants a basic kit and they make the appropriate adjustment to the factory price. 

For example:

Factory price: $2050 with 2ea cylinders. Pilkington's option to buy the kit with 1ea cylinder for $1850 and if the buyer desires then 1ea additional cylinder for an extra $200.

However, it seems to be the other way around: 

Factory price: $2050 with 2ea cylinders. Pilkington sells as if factory kit with one cylinder for $2050 and tacks on another $200 for the 2nd cylinder that came with the factory-kit. That is an instant 10% profit that is not shared with Steyr..



Interesting but Krale seems to have it for $1,825 and comes with a cylinder on the gun and one extra cylinder (2ea total) for that price:

https://www.krale.shop/en/steyr-lp50-compact/



Steyr's own page:

https://www.steyr-sport.com/en/steyr-lp-50-compact



Scope of delivery

  • plastic case
  • 4 x 10 g barrel weight
  • 2 five-shot-magazines
  • 2 Compressed air cylinder with pressure gauge, available in silver, black, blue
  • tools
  • spare O-rings
  • filling adapter
  • operator's manual
  • STEYR tin clip 
 
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"As for my "modification"…of course not, that's a stupid comment. Apparently you didn't read OR understand my post. Maybe some English lessons are in order. My "modification" if you really MUST know was to the Picatinny rail that is much to long for my need. Big modification, I removed about 1.88" off the end of the rail..!"

Not "stupid"; ACCURATE. In your own words-

https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/for-you-ladies-with-high-end-target-pistols-with-the-din-fill-fitting-adapter/?view=all#post-968215
 
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Mike, you are factually incorrect in all your assumptions. 

As I explained to you by email

"quote "to explain the current situation we must go back 7 or 8 years. For several decades, CO2 and then PCP pistols came with two cylinders (No mechanical reason, just only that the space was available in the box it seems to me). Nonetheless they came with two cylinders for many years. About 7 or 8 years ago, Walther and then FWB started selling their pistols with only ONE cylinder and an accordingly cheaper price. This put Steyr pistols at a disadvantage as suddenly they looked several hundred dollars more expensive in comparison. So together with our biggest catalog retailer, Champions Choice, we made the decision to drop one cylinder from the Steyr package to match the competitors, with a correspondly lower price.

That has been the situation until March of this year. We were notified from several sources that FWB and Walther were going back to two cylinder pricing (FWB apparently had last fall sometime, but got unnoticed in the Covid craziness). We discussed this with Champions Choice along with the fact that Steyr factory pricing was going up with all brands with the new catalog mailing in May or June. And actually that planned meeting with CC is this afternoon. So we expected another 6-8 weeks of single cylinder pricing.

Sooooo we were quite surprised to learn this week from a caller that CC was now offering two cylinders on their guns on their website. Needless to say it is a point I plan to bring up with them as to what happened. 

In regards to your personal situation. I would offer you the second cylinder for your gun for $105 shipped.

end quote. 



the POINT is you were sold a gun with single cylinder pricing, just like as if you had bought a Feinwerkbau or Walther with a single cylinder.

You have NO valid complaint. 

Secondly your points about grips are just plain ludicrous. 

You did not pay extra for XL grips.

You would not have gotten two grips if purchased from Champions Choice is a catalog retailer and you get no options or frills with the guns purchased through them. You get silver cylinders and an option of two right grip sizes and one left. They do not want to open the box and change grips.

We at Pilkguns are full service dealer focused on one product line, Steyr and therefore keep in stock all cylinder colors and all grips sizes , thats BLue, Black, Gold and Silver cylinders and all grip sizes from XXS to XXL . You also get a few extra goodies in the box when purchased from us. 

For the record, I have been sole authorized Steyr importer since 1998, That's 23 years for those of you that can't do math. And was a dual importer for few years previous to that 

Guns from Precision, ANA, Alan Zasadny, Champions Choice, etc have all came through me in one form or another. 

Only Steyr service center with the exception of Alan guns since they are modified to his specs.

Scott Pilkington
 
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With Pilkington Airguns and the exclusive import of Steyr comes to mind Airguns of Arizona and their (former) unhindered monopoly over FX products. Often with monopoly comes arrogance and complacency and lack of accountability. With AOA being forced to share the importing market and eventually the establishment of FX Airguns USA, the US customers of FX Airguns not only have gained more choices but also a MUCH faster and less frustrating servicing (regardless of AOA's previous best efforts). 

I find it hard to digest that any major brand would hinge their reputation on a single-point of failure like FX Airguns did on AOA ....or Steyr with Pilkguns. You are essentially creating an image (good or bad) in the minds of the US customers that is hard to erase when it comes to your brand recognition. FX Airguns successfully fixed this problem IMHO. 

It's admirable for Mr. Pilkington to post his reply publicly here, but I found his explanation of the price discrepancies about 1 vs 2 cylinders confusing. Admittedly, there was clearly some "lack of synchronization" on what is a standard Steyr kit in the USA between Pilkguns and their largest retailer Champion's Choice. It's never a good thing if there are product-offerings discrepancies between a sole importer (that is also a retailer) and its largest authorized retailer. It confuses the customer.

A note to MikeW for requesting the removal of this thread by the Moderator because you have solved your individual issue with the airgun seller/importer. It's one thing to bring up/discuss/ask for advice from your fellow AGN members your issue in connection with a perceived wrong by an importer/dealer. But it's an entirely different issue if you used this forum and its members as a way to force attention to your individual case and thus bring "heat" or shame to the dealer so you get an amicable solution for your particular case and then make the entire thread disappear as if the job is now done. It just brings a bad taste in one's mouth akin to Amazon sellers "convincing" buyers to revise their negative feedback or to erase it from history. Should have started your beef in the Dealer and manufacturer feedback and work your issue with them directly. Then "make it disappear" or close it appropriately if resolved .


 
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Im a new guy here. I shoot a ton of 10 meter pistol.

I have dealt with Champions Choice and Pilkington Competition for years,

I purchased my P44 and it came with two tanks, this was years ago. Champions Choice

and Scott over at Pilkuns have been very specific with our dealings on the phone FOR YEARS

and they have always gone out of their way to remove any chance of being misunderstood.

I would hope this thread isnt allowed to paint these gentlemen in a bad light, I feel that would be an undeserved 

outcome......
 
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I can't believe NOBODY "QUOTED" OP on BOTH THREADS-?

Anywhoo there are sufficient valid points that make it worth leaving both threads up in the event this subject is ever brought to light again.

You (MODS-?) deleting posts screws up my search function to use as genuine topic and issue references for future posts.
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Why? You looking for what he originally wrote? That's easy. In this post it was basically just a link to his other post. (He changed the title also)

A heads up to those that may be interested in high end target guns

See my note here – https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/beware-of-pilkguns-for-high-end-target-guns/?view=all#post-968559

Mike
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But his other thread did have his "narrative", as well as the title change

Beware of Pilkguns for high end target guns



Just a heads up to those that may be in the market for a "Target" gun (pistol or rifle).

Seems that I just WAY overpaid for a Steyr LP50 Compact target pistol.

I did do a "little" searching" before I passed out my credit card number to Pilkguns for this gun. Unfortunately, I didn't do "enough" searching. Interesting that a couple of people here recommended Pilkguns to me for this purchase. I can only assume that they did not do their do diligence either, AND…did no follow up on their purchase.

Per the Steyr catalog, per the Steyr web site, and NOW per an email delivered to me this morning by a Steyr representative, buyers are SUPPOSED to receive "two" air cylinders. At least for the LP50 and other Steyr guns. Not the single (as in one) cylinder that Pilkguns provides, and seems more than happy with.

Anyway, Pilkguns seems very happy to take ANOTHER $200 for the second cylinder IF you buy it during the original purchase. Or…it's $225 after the original purchase..!

And while we are at it, a second thing that I did not directly ask about, I'm going to "assume" that I also paid extra for the XL grip over the standard medium grip, BUT, did not receive the medium grip, that I "assume" came with the gun originally. This is an assumption based on the cylinder "deal". The way I see it, I SHOULD have received…two grips.

I was kindly notified by a person on this site that I may have been taken by Pilkguns. And after some searching and general homework, it seems that I have.

Seems that he phrase – Caveat emptor, fits perfectly here.

Mike
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Most of this leaves a bad taste in my mouth.I will say that I respect others and I can count on some posters that have become my favorites to always show respect and be accurate in their thoughts....fair....

Fe brings up a great points...and Big Tin Boat brings up another....is it fair to bash a dealer on this forum when there is a place for it elsewhere?

Myself,I have been fortunate to get problems taken care of by dealing directly with the dealer,owner;I would never use a"open forum" to bash someone,I would go directly to the source of the problem or air it where it belongs....

BS to do it here and not the dealer forum.....grudge match..just my opinion or 2cents...wish it had more value,but it does not.
 
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I can't believe NOBODY "QUOTED" OP on BOTH THREADS-?

Anywhoo there are sufficient valid points that make it worth leaving both threads up in the event this subject is ever brought to light again.

You (MODS-?) deleting posts screws up my search function to use as genuine topic and issue references for future posts.
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Why? You looking for what he originally wrote? That's easy. In this post it was basically just a link to his other post. (He changed the title also)

A heads up to those that may be interested in high end target guns

See my note here – https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/beware-of-pilkguns-for-high-end-target-guns/?view=all#post-968559

Mike
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But his other thread did have his "narrative", as well as the title change

Beware of Pilkguns for high end target guns



Just a heads up to those that may be in the market for a "Target" gun (pistol or rifle).

Seems that I just WAY overpaid for a Steyr LP50 Compact target pistol.

I did do a "little" searching" before I passed out my credit card number to Pilkguns for this gun. Unfortunately, I didn't do "enough" searching. Interesting that a couple of people here recommended Pilkguns to me for this purchase. I can only assume that they did not do their do diligence either, AND…did no follow up on their purchase.

Per the Steyr catalog, per the Steyr web site, and NOW per an email delivered to me this morning by a Steyr representative, buyers are SUPPOSED to receive "two" air cylinders. At least for the LP50 and other Steyr guns. Not the single (as in one) cylinder that Pilkguns provides, and seems more than happy with.

Anyway, Pilkguns seems very happy to take ANOTHER $200 for the second cylinder IF you buy it during the original purchase. Or…it's $225 after the original purchase..!

And while we are at it, a second thing that I did not directly ask about, I'm going to "assume" that I also paid extra for the XL grip over the standard medium grip, BUT, did not receive the medium grip, that I "assume" came with the gun originally. This is an assumption based on the cylinder "deal". The way I see it, I SHOULD have received…two grips.

I was kindly notified by a person on this site that I may have been taken by Pilkguns. And after some searching and general homework, it seems that I have.

Seems that he phrase – Caveat emptor, fits perfectly here.

Mike
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HOW IN THE HELL DID YOU MANAGE TO DIG IT UP "AFTER" HE EDITED IT OUT-!!!
 
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