How accurate is “accurate”and what do we expect

Hello everyone,

I had a GREAT morning of shooting a half dozen paper targets with absolutely perfect weather conditions. However while shooting I began to think about how, we as target shooters, forget and don’t always take into consideration some HARD Factual Numbers. I’m not trying to go “geek” but need to have a good perspective of the accuracy of each shot so as to improve on my ability.

Let me explain with the attached target as an example::geek:

Look at the top row, left to right, at number 4 target. When I shot this I said damn and then thought, OK it is not a dead center bullseye but really it is still a good shot. Here is how I was aiming at each target to adjust for my rifle and the scope, I was placing the small round dot of the reticle at the bottom-center of the “1" of the ten (10) in the bullseye. Yep that is how precise I was shooting this target. I brought the target in the house and used my digital calipers to actually measure the distance from the “aim point” ( bottom-center of “1" ) to the true center of the 10-Ring and as you can see it is ONLY .0355 of an inch. Man that is almost nothing, but that tiny bit compensates for my rifle and scope. Look at the rest of this target ( not to brag ) and see how many dead center ( or almost ) I shot on this card using that “aim point”. Now look at the first target on the last row and even though I did hit the 10-Ring ( barely ) it does count as a hit but I was very disappointed :cry:. Again I measured from the center of the POI to the center of the 10-Ring and it is only .1205 of an inch. Man that is ugly on this card but, had I been shooting at the head of a Squirrel at 25-yards, he would be Vulture candy right now :ROFLMAO: .

Well what the heck is all my ranting and raven about, are we too demanding on our equipment and our ability? I guess it all lies with the individual shooter, in my own opinion I don’t think so. With that said it is important to try and keep everything in perspective.

Rifle: Brocock Commander XR .177
Pellet: JSB Exact Heavy 10.34gr
Distance: 25-yards
Weather: perfect

ThomasT
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Thomas, I really like how dedicated you are to your craft! We can strive for perfection but as humans rarely attain it but as long as we keep trying we will get better even if it's ever so slightly. Your groups are OUTSTANDING 🤗! I think that's why I enjoy shooting (target) and golf so much, it's the journey that's the most satisfying even though the outcome is not always what we were after. Keep up the EXCELLENT marksmanship sir!
 
Thomas, I really like how dedicated you are to your craft! We can strive for perfection but as humans rarely attain it but as long as we keep trying we will get better even if it's ever so slightly. Your groups are OUTSTANDING 🤗! I think that's why I enjoy shooting (target) and golf so much, it's the journey that's the most satisfying even though the outcome is not always what we were after. Keep up the EXCELLENT marksmanship sir!
Hello @Ranchibi

Thank you for the very kind words, most folks just say that I am bit crazy o_O. One big advantage of getting really old is that, if you are lucky, you learn that the world doesn't end with a couple of not so good results(y) and encourages you to try just a tad bit harder next time. And boy have I had a bunch of "next times" :ROFLMAO:

Have a wonderful weekend,
ThomasT
 
I believe that answer is what a person expects,I know you have the newer Crosman Challenger,I also have one; I expect "one small hole" at 25 yds from it.
I also have a "special" R-7 that can shoot almost as well.....fact is when I just want easy-to-shoot air rifles those are what I choose.
Trip, I have a Brocock Concept, Great minds think alike.:ROFLMAO:
 
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I believe that answer is what a person expects,I know you have the newer Crosman Challenger,I also have one; I expect "one small hole" at 25 yds from it.
I also have a "special" R-7 that can shoot almost as well.....fact is when I just want easy-to-shoot air rifles those are what I choose.
Trip, I have a Brocock Concept, Great minds think alike.:ROFLMAO:
Hello @boscoebrea

:D (y)(y)(y):D

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The post reads.

"How accurate is “accurate”and what do we expect"​

When it should read

How precise is “precise ”and what do we expect​

Accurate shooting and precise shooting are to different things. You are precision shooting.

At least IMHO, if shooting off rest is for precision. Off hand is for accuracy.
 
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The post reads.

"How accurate is “accurate”and what do we expect"​

When it should read

How precise is “precise ”and what do we expect​

Accurate shooting and precise shooting are to different things. You are precision shooting.

At least IMHO, if shooting off rest is for precision. Off hand is for accuracy.
Hello @Septicdeath

My sand box my rules :D , my title is correct.

ThomasT
 
ThomasT, very impressive shooting!
I am not a target shooter and can only endure so much bench shooting, even though it is critical to get the accuracy I need for hunting. Tight groups from the bench turn into clean shots on game.
I should try that target you are shooting. I have never used one but it appears it would show deficiencies much better than shooting groups of several shots.
 
Hello everyone,

I had a GREAT morning of shooting a half dozen paper targets with absolutely perfect weather conditions. However while shooting I began to think about how, we as target shooters, forget and don’t always take into consideration some HARD Factual Numbers. I’m not trying to go “geek” but need to have a good perspective of the accuracy of each shot so as to improve on my ability.

Let me explain with the attached target as an example
Rifle: Brocock Commander XR .177
Pellet: JSB Exact Heavy 10.34gr
Distance: 25-yards
Weather: perfect

ThomasT
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The post reads.

"How accurate is “accurate”and what do we expect"​

When it should read

How precise is “precise ”and what do we expect​

Accurate shooting and precise shooting are to different things. You are precision shooting.
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I agree with Septicdeath and in my opinion as well, This falls more in the relm of precision haha. Something we all strive to achieve but not all of get there lol. I will continue to try and have hope I get there some day haha.
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Hello @Septicdeath

My sand box my rules :D , my title is correct.

ThomasT
Yes sir. Your sandbox your rules👍 I'm just saying. Accuracy refers to how close a measurement is to the true or accepted value. Precision refers to how close measurements of the same item are to each other. Precision is independent of accuracy.
 
Excellent shooting! I like your approach - one shot per bullseye.

I do something similar. Have an array of small targets with a .100 dot with a .050 clear area in the center that I sight on .

Instead of "scoring" the target I measure the distance from the POA (point of aim) to the POI (point of impact), add up all the distances (typically 25 shots) and average them. That gives me a number for how much I missed by in that session, at that specific distance.

Having a number for reference works for me. I can see how well I'm doing, if I'm improving or having an off day. A sudden increase often is a reminder to clean my barrel - at least that's the excuse I use ;)

Cheers!
 
Excellent shooting! I like your approach - one shot per bullseye.

I do something similar. Have an array of small targets with a .100 dot with a .050 clear area in the center that I sight on .

Instead of "scoring" the target I measure the distance from the POA (point of aim) to the POI (point of impact), add up all the distances (typically 25 shots) and average them. That gives me a number for how much I missed by in that session, at that specific distance.

Having a number for reference works for me. I can see how well I'm doing, if I'm improving or having an off day. A sudden increase often is a reminder to clean my barrel - at least that's the excuse I use ;)

Cheers!
Hello @Vana2

Excellent way to track your work.

ThomasT