Tuning How can a pin probe seat deeper than stock FX pellet probe?

When the stock pellet probe on my .30 M3 Impact is fully retracted, it just barely clears the magazine. Maybe 1 to 1.5mm of clearance max. This seems like the minimum clearance I'd want unless really trying to split hairs and make things more high-maintenance. Now, considering that most slugs have a dished base, it seems that a pin probe would seat to a depth equal (best case) or shallower (more likely) than the stock pellet probe which engages the projectile at the outside.

Am I missing something? Airflow is a whole other discussion and there will be obvious differences there.
 
In order to line up the ports with the probe and the breech, the pellet probe must be set back like you said, 1 to 1.5mm. The pin probe doesn't have that restriction, so it can be brought right to the edge so clearance from the mag is minimal. With pellets the pin probe won't insert the pellets as far, but with flat based slugs like the 43.5 NSA in .25 caliber, the slug will be pushed in 1 to 1.5mm farther into the breech without hindering air flow...

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This is the issue I’ve been facing with my setup. I had the pin probe in mine when I got it used, and I found extreme spreads to be a little high with hades pellets. I played with it for a while, then read another post on here about pin probes not seating the pellets deep enough. Intrigued, I did a test, and sure enough, the skirts aren’t even clearing the transfer port. Pellets like the 34gr mk2 are fine, because their skirts are pretty shallow, but any pellet with a deep skirt, stick with the pellet probe. 
 
I was always under the impression the pin probe was really only for flat based slugs and have only used it as such. For pellets, I only use the pellet probe but the pellet probe can also be used for slugs but with more air restriction; causing a drop in fps if using slugs.

Exactly. The pin probe isn’t doing you any favors with pellets. If you want a little more airflow go with the huma pellet probe. My issue is the pin probe is the only one that cycles pellets through my magazines. The pellet probes get stuck. I’m in the process of putting the Orion inserts in my magazines to see if that helps. Smooth cycling is worth the loss of 2 shots. Lol
 
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The pin probe has worked out great in my own 25 impact. Even gained a few FPS after the install. I only use pellets in my Impact, for what it’s worth.

On a friends 30 cal impact dedicated for fx hybrid slugs, well, not so good. Shotgun like patterns on the target, and 75% of the time I was unsure a shot would even show up on the target! All I heard were ricochet’s off of rocks behind my pellet trap target set up!

Swapped back to the factory probe and now the slugs are grouping like pellets, in typical FX like accuracy that you see out of the box.



I am going to tie it in to possible tipping of the slug, when using the pin probe. Maybe...
 
The pin probe has worked out great in my own 25 impact. Even gained a few FPS after the install. I only use pellets in my Impact, for what it’s worth.

On a friends 30 cal impact dedicated for fx hybrid slugs, well, not so good. Shotgun like patterns on the target, and 75% of the time I was unsure a shot would even show up on the target! All I heard were ricochet’s off of rocks behind my pellet trap target set up!

Swapped back to the factory probe and now the slugs are grouping like pellets, in typical FX like accuracy that you see out of the box.



I am going to tie it in to possible tipping of the slug, when using the pin probe. Maybe...
I know it’s an old topic but I was wondering if you ever found out.

I just switched to a heavy liner in my .30cal Impact M3 for shooting slug. At the same time I fitted a Huma pin probe. I thought I was doing good.

But it’s been a nightmare since. I went from a small group shooting, accurate FX with pellets to a nightmare on slugs.

I was shooting Minute of Barndoor groups. Just insane. I also directly noticed that feeding a slug from the magazine into the barrel became so hard that I needed my other hand to brace the rifle. Otherwise I could not close the gun.

In one magazine I had the occasional slug that would feed without problems. Also the chrono was showing a spread of about 80fps over 23 shots. I really felt lost.

So last night while fiddling around and overthinking the problem I noticed that when you push a slug from the mag it seems to tip over real easy. Pushing it with a point just slightly off-centre does that. So I changed back to the standard FX pellet probe. I test fired 5 rounds into a trap inside my house. Just to check if feeding a round would be easier. To my relief it fed without any extra effort.

I was not yet able to test for speed and accuracy. But I am hopeful.

But it did leave me puzzled. Everywhere I look it is recommended to use a pin probe for better and more airflow. It can’t be I’m the only one having this problem! Can it?
 
Yeah, but the original designers (Fx) also sell a pin probe for slugs.

In the mean time I’ve been watching some YouTube videos and there were some videos about alignment of the feeding probe. Could that be the problem?

Nowhere is there a mention about needing to align after changing to a pin probe. At least not at the websites that offer them for sale. That’s why I thought it would be a simple swap.

All input is much appreciated
Thanks, Nick
 
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So, hand feeding a slug into the breech and than further push it with the pin probe is no problem.

I do notice ‘bite marks’ on the slug when I push them back out. Showing that the do hit something on the way into the barrel. (Only when fed from the magazine with the pin probe. When I use the pellet probe there is no problem)

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Although I have a Maverick 30 cal sniper shooting slugs with a huma pin probe, rather than an Impact, hear me out. I had the exact same issue. On the Maverick, the cheek rest needed to have material sanded/filed from it because it was keeping the magazine from seating fully into its "home" position, which means the slugs were off center when being pushed into the breech. The mag FELT like it was fully in it's home position before the sanding, but it simply was not all the way home. In the case of the Maverick, I could verify that the cheek rest was the problem by simply removing the cheek rest and then inserting a mag and firing. With the cheek rest removed there was no feeding problem.

I'm not familiar with the Impact, so I don't know what could be interfering with the magazine fully seating to it's home position. I hope it's something that is easily solved. Also, since you have already been forcing the pin probe really hard (like I did -- I was pissed), the pin probe might be bent now -- I was amazed that my pin probe didn't get bent.

[EDIT -- definitely do the following -- you'll be glad you did.]
One other thing I did, that I maybe didn't need to do (but I'm still glad I did), was to deburr the breech transfer port hole. I did it by using some bamboo shishkabob (spelling?) skewers and a hand-held drill. I took the barrel off, of course. I put one skewer into the drill like a drill bit and inserted the skewer into the transfer port hole of the barrel and worked it like I was trying to enlarge the openings of the hole. The bamboo is soft and gets chewed away into dust as it deburrs the edges of the hole. It's a very safe way to deburr the hole. The ends of the skewers will break off in the breech. Keep the breech end down to keep the bamboo dust and busted skewer ends from falling toward the muzzle end. You will need to clean the dust out of the breech and you should take the breech o-ring out and clean that groove and clean the o-ring and then put it back if it's still good, else replace the o-ring with a new one. I cleaned the bamboo dust out with q-tips dipped in rubbing alcohol -- and used dry q-tips as well.

[another EDIT -- just to be a bit more specific about the deburring process]
Use a variable-speed drill so you can go slow with the bamboo skewers. You only need to polish off the microscopic saw-like edges. You don't want to bevel the edges -- just deburr them. Before you start, take a cotton q-tip and run it around the edges of the transfer port hole to see if you can get any cotton fibers to be snagged off of the q-tip. If cotton fibers are being snagged, then you have some deburring to do. If no cotton fibers can be snagged, then there isn't any deburring to do.

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From what I've gathered and read so far, the pin probe is kinda finicky, and randomly worked on certain projectiles but not on others, the hassle and random issues being introduced by the pin probe doesn't sound like it worth the few extra fps to me, getting more resistant to chamber the round and damaging slugs in the process, seems more like a gimmick and another snake oil that I will certainly skip altogether. 😅
 
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From what I've gathered and read so far, the pin probe is kinda finicky, and randomly worked on certain projectiles but not on others, the hassle and random issues being introduced by the pin probe doesn't sound like it worth the few extra fps to me, getting more resistant to chamber the round and damaging slugs in the process, seems more like a gimmick and another snake oil that I will certainly skip altogether. 😅
In Golani's situation, the pin probe is actually exposing a pre-existing problem that needs to be solved. The pin probe didn't cause it. Even if he decides to go back to using a pellet probe, there is still a problem with the magazine.

I definitely get your point though. If a pellet probe is working just fine, then stick with it. Pin probes are not a gimmick, though. There are plenty of situations where the less restrictive flow of air with a pin probe can be what is needed for the best tune, even if it is not for the purpose of increasing muzzle velocity. It can aid in reducing valve dwell times and other related tuning issues.

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Are those slugs falling into a hugely cut transfer port? Doesn't seem like there would be that much in the barrel for them to get a curved indention like that.
I can only comment on the 30 cal. But when it was happening to me years ago I thought I needed a new breech section that had a "bridge" over the transfer port hole because it looked like gravity was just tipping the nose of the slug down into the hole. I never bought the "bridge" type breech section. It turns out that the bridge thing is (in my opinion) just a band-aid to make up for the fact that FX didn't deburr the transfer port hole edges and complimented that with a cheek rest that kept the magazine from seating. The smiley faces on Golani's slugs are a clear indication of the size of the stock round transfer port hole on that 30 cal. I made some smiley-faced slugs just like Golani's before I solved my jamming issues. After my fix, all slugs chamber smoothly and have for years.

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