How "critical" is a regulated gun, really?

 I have now been shooting Air Arms PCPs for close to 20 years, shooting tens of thousands of .177, .22, and .25 rounds.

While I am certain my next rifle will be a really high-tech, regulated model, (I really think I want a Red Wolf), and while I have chronographed thousands of pellets and documented the power curve, I have never really studied where the POI actually begins to fall off. Today, I learned that even though the fps falls off rather dramatically after several shots, the POI doesn't change as much as one would think.

Within my 18 yards controlled indoor range environment, I shot all three of my S-510s today, starting at exactly 200 bar, monitoring their statistical performance on the chronograph, while watching the impact on the POI. Even though one would expect the POI (elevation) to drop after losing even 20% of the velocity, it wasn't noticeable until each of the rifles lost about 50 bar of the 200 bar initial charge.

For the .177 shooting a JSB 10.34 Gr pellet, it shot nearly one hole groups until I had gone through about 80 pellets (at full power), within a range of 1030 to 960 fps. Even then, the trajectory might have faded 1/8" to 3/16" of an inch.

For the .22, shooting the JSB 18.13 Gr pellet, it was about 50 pellets before an elevation drop began to be noticeable.

For the 25, shooting the JSB King Heavy 33.95, I still got to 40 pellets before even a slight drop off in POI could be seen on the target.

The only thing this exercise told me was that while there is no doubt as to the sound nature of the regulated theory, I don't think it is as big of a deal as we would all like to make it or believe it to be. So don't be in a hurry to ditch your trusty non-regulated gun thinking that you are going to receive some magical result on your next hunting outing where at the most only 10 to 20 shots will be consumed. My tests indicate that the difference is so negligible that you will never notice any real difference.


 
18 yards is much too short a distance to see effects on POI until power really drops off. If you shoot targets at longer distances (paper, metal or moving), and especially if you shoot in competitions, the benefits of a regulated gun are well established. But if this level of accuracy is not important to you then don't spend the xtra $$$ for something like a Red Wolf. A weapon like this will allow you to shoot long distances and hit targets reliably at distances of 70 - 100 yds +. Have fun!
 
Let's say at 10 yards the pellet dropped 1/10 of a inch at 100 yards it would be an inch You quickly get the picture. That would not be exactly correct other factors involved but close enough to make the point

Hi mate. I think you're confusing angular moa with velocity effects. In this case, the drop off at range due to decreased velocity is exponential. The exact difference depends on a lot of factors, so as John noted the best option would be to use ballistic software to calculate precisely, but my experience with my beloved S510 (unregulated) is that it just can't compete at 100 yards for lack of a reg. I may install one because otherwise it is a sweet shoooter. I hope that helps.
 
I agree that18 yards is a little short to see much drop in poi, I also agree that a non regulated gun can be just as accurate as a regulated one. You just have to know your fill pressure and your refill pressure and be diligent about sticking to them. My non-regulated Brocock gives me #24 shots-first shot at 847fps, fastest shot, around #14 is 866, and the 24th shot is back down to 848fps. That's all within 19fps and all very accurate-same poi out to 55 yards. After that 24th shot, fps divebombs, and if I fill it higher than it likes, the first couple shots are lower than 847.

My non-regulated Mac1 Hunter is the same story as the Brocock-very consistent fps through the shot string (within 20fps) if I fill and refill at the correct fps.

My regulated Veteran shoots all shots within 20fps also. The nice thing about it is that I can fill it to any bar (up to max of 250) and shoot it down to around 100 bar and they'll all fall within that 20fps spread. It's nice to not have to be quite so exact in fill pressure and shot counting with the regulated gun, but the regulator doesn't make it any more accurate.
 
I agree that18 yards is a little short to see much drop in poi, I also agree that a non regulated gun can be just as accurate as a regulated one. You just have to know your fill pressure and your refill pressure and be diligent about sticking to them. My non-regulated Brocock gives me #24 shots-first shot at 847fps, fastest shot, around #14 is 866, and the 24th shot is back down to 848fps. That's all within 19fps and all very accurate-same poi out to 55 yards. After that 24th shot, fps divebombs, and if I fill it higher than it likes, the first couple shots are lower than 847.

My non-regulated Mac1 Hunter is the same story as the Brocock-very consistent fps through the shot string (within 20fps) if I fill and refill at the correct fps.

My regulated Veteran shoots all shots within 20fps also. The nice thing about it is that I can fill it to any bar (up to max of 250) and shoot it down to around 100 bar and they'll all fall within that 20fps spread. It's nice to not have to be quite so exact in fill pressure and shot counting with the regulated gun, but the regulator doesn't make it any more accurate.



The ease of varying the fill pressure for hunting is ideal but I also like the confidence of not having to look at the gauge much while in the woods. With no regulator I have to know where I'm at in the curve. Regged guns don't have a curve, just a minimum reg pressure.


 
As critical as the user finds necessary? Properly tuned regulated pcp's maintain around 1-2% extreme spread which means less vertical stringing, unregulated CAN do the same but within a SMALLER range of pressure meaning less shots.The valve is also MUCH easier to open being pressure is generally reduced @ the valve seat by 33-50%, which means 33-50% less force to open said valve.



I think its absolutely silly NOT to run a regulator, especially once you fully grasp and understand all of their benefits...JMO!
 
Shooting steel targets between 110 - 200 yards in my backyard with my unregulated Bantam .25 has quickly made me regret not getting a regulated .22.

The ballistics starts to deteriorate after about 10-15 shots. There are also some high and low flyers that I can't contribute to trigger pull/shooting mechanics.

You may not see much at 18 yards, but at distance you certainly can.
 
A 40fps spread equates to 1/4" @ 50 yards. I steered away from regulators for a long time on advice that a good rifle like a Rapid did not need one. I didn't need one; but now that I've owned regulated rifles, I'd never buy a new PCP without an externally adjustable regulator. I'd buy a used rifle from trusted guys I know but I'd be putting a regulator in. The ONLY rifle I would not want, or be able to afford a regulator to be built for would be anything above RAW's regulated .357 which gives 16 shots at 130ftlbs but can go to 160ftlbs, less shots. I'm happier with a consistent 130ftlbs as I always dreamed of a near .22LR power level.

Take the new Umarex Hammer. 3 shots, allegedly consistent with what they labeled their Lightning valve. If it REALLY gives 3 consistent shots at 700ftlbs and no regulator, I'd buy it as it's only $799.00 & 3 shots at that power is enough to reach out & whack Coyotes at FAR distances though I anticipate major drop. As long as the drop is consistent through those 3 shots, all is good as you're lucky to see one coyote around here on a day hunt. Really, I'd rather spend more and have the 16 regulated shots at 130ftlbs in .357 as it's more than enough. Money on a nigh vision or thermal scope would be well spent if Coyotes are your thing.

I am shooting mostly 40 to 80 yards; but there's times I shoot out to 150 and even 200 just to see the drop & windage. I'm way underpowered to do so, but this is learning. The right air gun will make these shots easy, not a I can't believe I hit it shot. Regulators are very important past 50 yards if you're anything more than a plinker.