How quiet is it really?

[Ruzz]

First off let me begin by saying that I have absolutely no interest in making money on social media I do just fine with my regular job. Although I enjoy watching and making dumb videos, I think of it as a learning platform for myself and others as long as we are being straight up honest. But with that said I did make this dumb video after a friend told me "I have you beat in my setup" Don't like or subscribe to the channel unless you just feel like it that's not what this is about. This is about your opinion on a very controversial subject.
Are air guns really that backyard friendly. Mainly because of the noise and that is the focus of the video how quiet is it really? It goes without saying that a powder gun should dominate an air gun across the board except in one department and that's the noise department.
FX Impact M3 0DB Moderator vs Ruger 10/22 Silencerco Spectre 22

Questions from me to you
1. Should I actually rent a high quality Decibel meter. I don't believe that there was enough difference in the sound both guns made to make a real difference
2. Should we have a rematch after some changes
3. What changes would you make if it was you were going to take on the challenge

 

[Danoh]

Nice video, thank you.

 

[Kleezy]

I get that a dB meter can't accurately gauge sound pitches and ambient background noise and other factors that go into these sort of comparisons but it's really the only way we can get some sort of objective information from these tests. I think having a dB meter a few meters away from the gun and at the point of impact can go a long way in drawing some conclusions for the audience. Even just having someone stay 20-50 yards away with a dB reader can help gauge some realistic scenarios like if you were in an urban backyard and had neighbors around.

Rimfire of course will carry more energy efficiently with less fuss but that also means you have to be more careful where you have to shoot. The main advantage of the air rifle is that you can tune down the velocity to just what you need and worry less about where it impacts. I know for me I like to have less velocity/grain when pesting around equipment or not putting holes through metal walls.

 

[Danoh]

I love .22lr. My very best is an Anschutz 1913 that is incredibly accurate. BUT, I can’t shoot it in my backyard or in my basement like I can the air rifles. I belong to a nice gun club where I can shoot, but it’s a hassle packing everything up and driving 20 miles HOPING when I get there the range isn’t already full and no place to shoot. I’ll never achieve accuracy with air rifles that I can with my target .22s, but that’s ok - it’s all relative. That’s the reason I have started gravitating to PCPs just recently. I DO feel that the top tier air rifles are way over-priced, but then I’m a cheapskate anyway.

 

[Ruzz]

I get that a dB meter can't accurately gauge sound pitches and ambient background noise and other factors that go into these sort of comparisons but it's really the only way we can get some sort of objective information from these tests. I think having a dB meter a few meters away from the gun and at the point of impact can go a long way in drawing some conclusions for the audience. Even just having someone stay 20-50 yards away with a dB reader can help gauge some realistic scenarios like if you were in an urban backyard and had neighbors around.

Rimfire of course will carry more energy efficiently with less fuss but that also means you have to be more careful where you have to shoot. The main advantage of the air rifle is that you can tune down the velocity to just what you need and worry less about where it impacts. I know for me I like to have less velocity when pesting around equipment or not putting holes through metal walls.

I agree thanks for the feedback

 

[Mr.H]

I love .22lr. My very best is an Anschutz 1913 that is incredibly accurate. BUT, I can’t shoot it in my backyard or in my basement like I can the air rifles. I belong to a nice gun club where I can shoot, but it’s a hassle packing everything up and driving 20 miles HOPING when I get there the range isn’t already full and no place to shoot. I’ll never achieve accuracy with air rifles that I can with my target .22s, but that’s ok - it’s all relative. That’s the reason I have started gravitating to PCPs just recently. I DO feel that the top tier air rifles are way over-priced, but then I’m a cheapskate anyway.

If you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay for your Annie? And do you think its worth what you paid? I agree with you that air gun pricing has gone thru the roof.

 

[Danoh]

I paid $1550 used, and it came in a Kelbly benchrest stock. Honestly not bragging, but on a good day, with the right (expensive) ammo I have pulled off some groups in the “0s” at 50 yds using my one piece rest. Shot USBR competition for awhile and stayed in the high 240s consistently. Only missed the elusive 250 by a couple points - I have a big issue with eye fatigue and HUGE floaters. I was lucky and got an extremely good deal on rifle.

 

[cavedweller]

First off let me begin by saying that I have absolutely no interest in making money on social media I do just fine with my regular job. Although I enjoy watching and making dumb videos, I think of it as a learning platform for myself and others as long as we are being straight up honest. But with that said I did make this dumb video after a friend told me "I have you beat in my setup" Don't like or subscribe to the channel unless you just feel like it that's not what this is about. This is about your opinion on a very controversial subject.
Are air guns really that backyard friendly. Mainly because of the noise and that is the focus of the video how quiet is it really? It goes without saying that a powder gun should dominate an air gun across the board except in one department and that's the noise department.
FX Impact M3 0DB Moderator vs Ruger 10/22 Silencerco Spectre 22

Questions from me to you
1. Should I actually rent a high quality Decibel meter. I don't believe that there was enough difference in the sound both guns made to make a real difference
2. Should we have a rematch after some changes
3. What changes would you make if it was you were going to take on the challenge

apples to oranges ---- you have to compare similar technology (equipment) used to make moderators to get meaningful data.

 

[beerthief]

First off let me begin by saying that I have absolutely no interest in making money on social media I do just fine with my regular job. Although I enjoy watching and making dumb videos, I think of it as a learning platform for myself and others as long as we are being straight up honest. But with that said I did make this dumb video after a friend told me "I have you beat in my setup" Don't like or subscribe to the channel unless you just feel like it that's not what this is about. This is about your opinion on a very controversial subject.
Are air guns really that backyard friendly. Mainly because of the noise and that is the focus of the video how quiet is it really? It goes without saying that a powder gun should dominate an air gun across the board except in one department and that's the noise department.
FX Impact M3 0DB Moderator vs Ruger 10/22 Silencerco Spectre 22

Questions from me to you
1. Should I actually rent a high quality Decibel meter. I don't believe that there was enough difference in the sound both guns made to make a real difference
2. Should we have a rematch after some changes
3. What changes would you make if it was you were going to take on the challenge

wonderful comparison , thanks

 

[EdinGa]

Enjoyed the video! It's all apples and oranges to me. All airguns are backyard friendly at my house. I can also shoot my 1895g in my backyard. That said, I appreciate quiet and the quieter it is the better I like it. Quiet makes my wife happy and that improves the quality of my life. That's why I always click on threads with titles like yours.

My ears say that my quietest pcp is wearing a 3d printed mod designed by Subscriber who is a member here.

 

[beerthief]

i am hard of hearing so all gun's are quiet . but that is also the reason i am hard of hearing . get the point ?

 

[dens228]

Enjoyed the video! It's all apples and oranges to me. All airguns are backyard friendly at my house. I can also shoot my 1895g in my backyard. That said, I appreciate quiet and the quieter it is the better I like it. Quiet makes my wife happy and that improves the quality of my life. That's why I always click on threads with titles like yours.

My ears say that my quietest pcp is wearing a 3d printed mod designed by Subscriber who is a member here.

I have an 1895g. Love it

 

[Danoh]

i am hard of hearing so all gun's are quiet . but that is also the reason i am hard of hearing . get the point ?

Huh? Text a little louder, I’m deef ya know.
I know what you’re saying though, I have VERY poor hearing from years in an industrial environment plus not enough sense to wear hearing protection shooting guns all my life.

 

[Sawney Bean]

I think we operate at a disadvantage because of the low efficiency of our moderators.

It took some time and a bit of work with a lathe, but my .30 Sidewinder is now backyard friendly at 100 fpe. 0 dB and Huma mods were more effective than DonnyFL, but none of them made it backyard friendly. New internals on the Huma Mod50 and heavily venting the shroud and adding potscrubber padding between the shroud and the barrel made a night and day difference.

 

[cmatera]

I own both rifles used in your test, and the exact firearm suppressor. I agree completely. Whenever possible, the PB is the more economic much more consistent, and trouble-free platform by far. I still own about 25 PB guns and 8 airguns. There was one point made in the video that was more important than any other, in my opinion.

I was born and raised in Chicago, IL. I did not own my first air rifle until I was 48, and only then because I moved out of the city. I was denied my 2nd amendment rights to carry a concealed weapon in IL until I was 57 years old.

At 68 years old now, and living in a different state, I considered moving back to IL to die, as my wife and I have no children or family, but still know maybe 7-10 people in IL. We thought if we lived in too urban an area we'd buy a small piece of land where I could go and shoot, mostly air guns. What a lot of people may not know is, IL passed a ban which takes effect on 1/1/24, on all semi automatic weapons due to a mass shooting on the 4th of July a couple years ago. No big deal right? All the posters who blah blah about how it will never affect air guns.

Consider this: Any air gun over .177 that produces more than 20 fpe is considered a FIREARM in IL, which requires one to have an FOID card in which you must register with the state police, to obtain. You have to have that card with you anytime you are in possession of a firearm and must show it to buy a firearm or ammo, yes even pellets. Be aware the use of semi automatic weapons is not illegal, the mere POSESSION of them is illegal.

Case in point. I have a .30 Sidewinder. It's greater than .177, and produces more than 20 fpe of energy, so it's a "firearm". It's also semi automatic, so it's possession is banned in IL. The kind politicians in IL have given everyone from 10/23/23 to 1/1/24 two whole months, to produce a list of items to the state police that they owned before the ban took effect.

So much for my consideration of moving back to IL. I would only possibly go there if I were going into hospice and death was imminent. How would I be able to move there from another state with all my guns and provide such a list to the state police after the law takes effect on 1/1/24? I would have to go through an FFL just to purchase any future air guns, and will have to show my FOID card to buy pellets. Dealers will likely not ship anything to IL, they hardly do already. More importantly, WHY would I buy a piece of land to maintain, cut trails, and do wildlife habitat enhancement when I could barely legally own a weapon? What would be the purpose?

In the video, the poster mentions that in most towns-yes towns, not cities, even the use of air guns is restricted, and those restrictions are getting tighter every day and will continue to get tighter as air guns approach PB capabilities. The PB is almost always the cheapest and most stable platform for shooting, but even more restricted. There are firearms that are as quiet and even quieter than most HP PCP air guns. He demonstrates a .22 rimfire. My .22 HM2, .17 HMR and .17 WSM might even be quieter. Yes, they are coming for our air guns. IL has and will continue to lose population, both people and corporations. In addition to having some of the highest taxes per valuation, add in their gun laws which make land ownership senseless for anything but urban living and farming. One piece of land I looked at in IL was being sold because the owners company where he had a six figure annual salary was moving-to Florida.

 

[lbc_PSI]

@cmatera

So much for the 2nd Amendment. “The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”.

Maybe IL politicians can’t read?

 

[cmatera]

IL was the example I used based on my personal recent experience. Unfortunately, this will be the case everywhere in the next 25-50 years, or less.

 

[superchikn]

Very interesting results. Thanks for sharing.

I do beg to differ on the cost comparison aspect though.
While many in the airgun world are operating a $5,000 platform like you are, there are probably many more who like myself are doing just fine with a sub $1,000 AG platform.

I shoot a Benjamin Akela 22 at 34fpe. I paid around $500 for it, my scope - around $100, Donny FL Tanto - 100 and I share this with a few other guns, Yong Heng compressor I have owned for 4 years now and supports several other PCPs - $250 as well.

My Akela shoots hole in hole at 30 yds a nickel at 50 yds and I have head shot several pigeons at 72 yds as well as Groundhogs at 80ish yds. I usually shoot with out the moderator as the shroud and baffles have it shooting pretty quietly, even in the backyard.

I'm not shooting rimfire where I need to be backyard friendly and I don't really want a tax stamp.

Again the results are interesting and thanks for sharing a terrific video.

 

[dens228]

Very interesting results. Thanks for sharing.

I do beg to differ on the cost comparison aspect though.
While many in the airgun world are operating a $5,000 platform like you are, there are probably many more who like myself are doing just fine with a sub $1,000 AG platform.

I shoot a Benjamin Akela 22 at 34fpe. I paid around $500 for it, my scope - around $100, Donny FL Tanto - 100 and I share this with a few other guns, Yong Heng compressor I have owned for 4 years now and supports several other pcps - $250 as well.

My Akela shoots hole in hole at 30 yds a nickel at 50 yds and I have head shot several pigeons at 72 yds as well as Groundhogs at 80 ish yds. I usually shoot with out the moderator as the shroud and baffles have it shooting pretty quietly, even in the backyard.

I'm not shooting a centerfire where I need to be backyard friendly and I don't really want a tax stamp.

Again the results are interesting and thanks for sharing a terrific video.

I live in Illinois, have a FOID as I also own several firearms and am retired LE. After the initial cost I can shoot for pennies per shot with my air rifles, in my suburban backyard. It is a half acre and my backyard is bordered by thick and tall shrubs. But my neighbors are well aware of my hobbies and even if they could here my shooting wouldn't care. When my wife is sitting on the back deck she says she doesn't hear anything but the pellet/slug hitting the target.

 

[cmatera]

Lucky you! I however, would not want to rely on my neighbors to be able to legally do what I want to do on my own property.