How to Use a Corbin S Press - A Thread Geared Toward Beginners

**THIS THREAD IS A WORK IN PROGRESS.**
If you stumbled across this thread and you're unfamiliar with the Corbin S Press or don't know what swaging is, listen to Dave Corbin explain the basics of bullet swaging and swaging airgun slugs.

Also take some time to click some links below.

Air Gun Pellet (Slug) Swaging Information



Corbin Press Info http://bulletswage.com/csp-1.htm

Corbin S Press Airgun Slug Kit (package deal) https://www.corbins.com/shop/s-press-airgun-slug-kit-press-die-slicer-lead-lube-1578?page=5#attr=702

Corbin S Press Diagram:​

I'm still working out the correct labels, so bear with me. I'll get it together. Thank you @Feinwerk for your example and assistance on how to label photos.
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Now on to the business.....First off I'd like to apologize for not recording myself setting up my Corbin S press from scratch because I haven't seen that video yet using the bench stand. In fact, I have watched several videos online and I have searched the Corbin sites. The new site has yet to compile and transfer resources form the old site as seen below. I think this will be updated in time.
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Much of what's on the old site is, well it's old. What I found was the same video from the 1990s that’s included on a DVD that comes with the S Press that starts with an already assembled and setup press that doesn't look like the current S Press currently being sold in 2024. It also does not show enough detail about how to use the die sets for making airgun projectiles. Instead it focuses on making jacketed bullets. It then goes into using the more complex H Press. Here is a link to that video via the old Corbin site http://bulletswage.com/howto.htm
As a result, I have determined that updated videos and more thorough instructions are needed. I may have missed something, but from my observation the information that is readily available seems better suited for people who already have some sort of background in bullet making or reloading.

Edited to add video: 08/15/24
Excellent hollow-point and hollow-ogive slug making video by the folks at Corbin shared with me by @Long_Shot. Good demo of using different dies & punches.

Other resources currently available on the new Corbin site:



I wanted to start this thread for the complete novice and those of you who may be new to the concept of swaging projectiles. Swaging is simply a method of using mechanical leverage to create extreme pressure in order to cold flow (mold) solid lead into a precision formed projectile. This is done by placing a solid piece of lead (a core) into finely machined die that contains the lead as it is forced into the precise internal dimensions or shape of the die. Dies function in conjunction with punches. These punches form the ends of the projectile (the base and the nose or tip) and contain the lead so that it remains in the die. There are tiny holes in the Corbin dies that allow any excess lead to bleed off (the excess lead from the bleed off is called “sprue”) making it possible to repeatably press projectiles that are very close to the exact same weight. This definition is my own and the description of the swaging process is how I understand it. Feel free to correct me if I've erred. Here is how the folks at Corbin explain swaging https://www.corbins.com/blog/swaging-101-1/what-is-bullet-swaging-5
I'm not a tradesman and I am not naturally mechanically inclined or handy. I can do very basic things with tools, so if you're anything like me, this thread is for you. For current owners and those with more advanced knowledge this is an opportunity to share your videos, knowledge, and expertise with others. At least three of you have been very helpful in making yourselves available to assist me and I thank you all. One person has been @Ca_Varminter. He has been extremely helpful to me with understanding the setup. He has also been helpful in other areas of air gunning as well. @nielsenammo was very helpful to me early on when I was still trying to figure out which press to buy and how to approach swaging. Nick’s candor has been very helpful and very much appreciated. Now they sell lead wire for airgunners just to help us out. Another extremely helpful member has been @CBuasri . He's checked in on me to see if I've had any difficulties or needed assistance. These folks are among the great members of our airgun community.

I started looking into to swaging about 3 years ago because during the pandemic strange things occurred logistically with products and material that caused delays in delivering projectiles to their markets. Although I managed to maneuver around most of what people thought were shortages, I wanted to be able to make what I wanted, how I wanted it, when I wanted it. I also looked into casting, but once I found a projectile that my gun liked, I wanted to be able to make my own and to have a process with excellent consistency. My first PCP was a big-bore Benjamin Bulldog .357, so eventually I'd have arrived at the point of making my own projectiles. At some point I bought a used modified Bulldog from a fellow member and with the gun came some advice on a projectile that it shot well. Not only did the modified Bulldog shoot the projectile well, every Bulldog I shot was able to shoot the same projectile well. At that point I decided it's time that I learn to make my own. Then the search for the right setup began. You can search the AGN threads for posts, threads, and conversations about that.

Here's a photo of my S Press just after setting it up.
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Photos of how my dies and punches are currently stored after cleaning and oiling
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Setting Up Your Corbin S Press:​


Here's the new Corbin video on how to set up the S Press.

In setting up my press I encountered several obstacles -

1) I wanted a dedicated workspace for swaging, so I bought a workbench just for making projectiles. The first problem was that it arrived with a busted wooden top. Thanks to @Rob_in_NC I was able to mend it, well sort of. I didn't know what I was doing, asked for his advice, watched a few videos on YouTube, bought a couple of clamps, and winged it with wood glue. I won't bore you with all of those photos, but it worked well enough. The top had 3 cracks, 1 was over 12" in length and broke all the way through this inch thick piece of pressed wood.
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My half-hearted and haphazard attempt to mend the break.
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It mended well enough to use and the company refunded my money so the workbench was free.

2) The next issue was to wait for my bench stand to arrive. I ordered it thinking they were in stock. When I ordered my press they were not and I was not given a specific timeframe when they would have more. I was told they'd have to make more. When I placed a second order I saw them listed and assumed they were back in stock. After ordering I found out that they were not. I told Kelly not to worry I'd like all of my items to ship together. He gave me a two week timeframe and my bench stand was finished and shipped within that timeframe.

3) Once the stand arrived, my next issue was the metal frame beneath the wooden workbench top. I had not anticipated the metal table frame interfering with the press installation . I did not want to drill through it and I found that you want this press close enough to the edge of the table so that the lever's range of motion is not obstructed and you can fully utilize the leverage of the cam action, but not so close that it will eventually crack the edge of the table top with repetitious torquing.

Here are some photos of the metal close to the edge from beneath the workbench tabletop.
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So my dilemma was the question of "how do I avoid drilling through metal while allowing the lever enough room to go through its full range of motion?" I posed this question to Corbin Manufacturing and via email received no response. I ended up coming up with a decent solution. At first I thought this placement might work since the metal frame is not as wide beneath the short edge of the table.
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However, this does not leave enough room for the lever to go all the way down. I thought the height of the stand would make a difference, but it only affords you about 12". This height saves table space and makes swaging while standing more comfortable.

I finally decided to situate the bolts on the front of the bench stand on one side of the metal table frame and the other behind it. The end result afforded me enough space from the edge to where I don't think the stress of pulling the press handle down repeatedly will break the wood at the edge off the table over time. The downside is that my placement is very close to the metal frame towards the edge. So close that I needed an adjustable crescent wrench to hold the nut below the table top because a socket cannot fit over the nut. But hey, it worked out. To install a bench stand you must supply your own bolts. I used four 1 ¼" long, 5/16-18 bolts. I also bought some 1 ½" and 2" long bolts of the same size. Ideally I would think 1 ½" are best if you don't have anything obstructing you from tightening the nuts.
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4) The next issue I encountered was rust on one of my punches. My press sat in the box for a while until the additional components that I ordered arrived, I got my table setup, and I made time to setup my press. I did not want to drill holes to mount the press before the bench stand arrived to only have remove it and drill different holes in workbench to mount it leaving holes in my tabletop. When I finally went through all of my dies and punches I noticed rust on a base punch. I contacted Corbin via email about this (including the photo below) explaining that when I noticed this, I tried removing the rust with steel wool, but it didn't seem to work well. I was also concerned about using steel wool close to the polished surface. So I asked what they suggested that I do. In response I was told "light steel wool will remove it easily and keeping a little bit of swage lube on it when stored will help." I'd already tried steel wool and it didn't remove it easily. I don't know who replied via email, there was no signature or name used. Before I received a response I had oiled all of my dies and this punch with Ballistol until I can find something better to use. I got that from a document published on the old Corbin site about caring for the dies. I will probably call them later today to get a more satisfactory answer. This is not me throwing anyone under the bus. I'm communicating to you all issues that I have encountered so far on my journey.

Here's the rusty punch before using steel wool on it. I'll add a photo of the after when I take it out again. It's been oiled and stowed for now. I still have not used it.
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Here is a photo taken after my initial steel wool treatment.
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I sent the photo to Corbin via email and Kelly responded. In his reply he told me that it looks ok, but I can also use a fine grit sandpaper (600 grit) to clean it up a bit more. My only concern about that is making sure that I remove all granules and debris before using this punch and being careful not to scratch the polished surface considering that the rust reached the border area of the different surfaces of the punch. You may wonder, how did this rust occur? We’ve had severe weather that knocked out our power a few times this summer. A couple of tornadoes came through last month and knocked the power out for an about four days. No a/c and high humidity would be the only thing I can think of that could cause this sort of thing. I hadn’t thought about oiling my punches before I made time to set up my press. Something to think about if you live in a humid climate and/or you don't intend to set your press up immediately upon arrival.


I'll be editing and adding to this thread periodically, but I'd like to begin compiling good information as I find it.

Here's a video on "Core Making" (*I do not recommend using shot to make cores. I think it's best to use a solid piece of molded or extruded pure lead wire.)
 
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Setting up Your Corbin Precision Core Cutter:​

It is sold separate from the press, unless you get a package deal (press, die set, cutter, lube, wire). Approx $100 by itself. If you’re handy you can probably make your own. In my opinion it’s not a must buy item.
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Diagram of the Corbin Precision Core Cutter
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I used an old piece of scrap countertop so I can move the cutter around and mount it in various orientations. I’m thinking about using C-clamps to hold this section of countertop to my workbench. An issue I already encountered was that since I didn’t install the bench stand in an area with mounting the cutter on this in mind, the scrap wood is a little wide and hangs over the edge a few inches. I was able to hold it with one palm resting flat and two spools of lead wire on top of it to weigh it down until I dig out some clamps.
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Poorly thought out bench stand placement in relation to the core cutter mount.
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I used these wood screws and two small washers to affix the cutter.
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Before cutting cores, be sure to tighten this grub screw on the bottom of the cutter. It holds the die (bushing) in place. Blue Loctitie is definitely recommended on the grub screw securing the dies.
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If you do not, the die can get stuck on your lead wire. It’s not extremely hard to remove, but why deal with the annoyance if you don’t have to? When I first used mine it took a few minutes for me to understand why the die started coming off with the lead wire strand.
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I secured it with a 5/64 Allen wrench. You may want to use Loctite or Vibratite on this grub screw. Mine keep coming loose while cutting cores. Within the core cutter there are two dies (bushings) that the wire feeds through and both can loosen up with use. When the pictured die (bushing) comes loose, be sure to bend the cutter arm 45º to 90º before replacing the bushing. If you do not, you will insert it too far and will not be able to push the handle down to cut cores. In a worst-case scenario, you may damage the die if you really try to force the cutter handle down onto the die (bushing) installed too deep (going into holes for the top and bottom dies/bushings in the arms on both sides of the pivot) and obstructing the handle.
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Then I used a 3/32 drill bit to pilot shallow holes on the marks to start the wood screws. Sorry, no pic of the holes drilled.


Next I aligned the holes of the cutter mounting bar up over the pilot holes, placed washers over the screws, and started to screw them into the pilot holes by hand. I then used an electric driver to fasten them through the holes in the mounting bar to secure the cutter. The result is the first photo of the cutter mounted earlier in this post. I thought that mounting the cutter perpendicular to the tabletop would allow the cut cores to easily drop into my box below. They do not drop down each time. I have to push or pull them with my fingers. Sometimes they will drop into my hand on the downstroke. I’m cutting .340” wire. I may change my mounting position if this continues.

I like the core cutter the content creator made in the following link

Cutting Cores:​

The first step is to clean the lead wire. There are various ways to do do this. You may use a Scotch Brite pad (green or red) or a copper pot scrubbing pad (DO NOT USE STEEL WOOL OR STEEL PADS) to scrub dirt, dust, and grime off of the surface of the lead wire. Next, wipe to down with oil or an organic solvent (I use acetone). Clean and wipe the wire in 18"-24" sections at a time. Then, cut your cores. Initially I didn’t change the settings on the core cutter from the way that it arrived. Doing so I dropped cores roughly around 8 grams or 123 grains. Thank you @Long_Shot for reminding me to add the wire cleaning step and for the Scotch Brite suggestion.

Spool of .34 pure lead wire.
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Corbin core cutter with box below to catch cut cores. I like using an empty egg carton to catch the cores and lead flakes from the cutter.
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Wire being fed into cutter to cut cores. Be sure to feed the wire in all the way to the stop screw.
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Cores in box that need to be weighed and pressed into slugs.
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Weighing random cores throughout the process helps me to keep track of consistency. Because the nut on the stop screw in the core cutter loosened and I moved the stop screw, my cores are different sizes. Others had to be cut with wire cutters because the lead wire was so twisted and bent up at certain points it was hard to feed it into the dies without the edges digging into the wire. The reason the wire was bent up so much at certain points because I’m still getting my workspace organized and I did not have the wire spool hanging or situated in a place that allowed a continuous and easy feed into the cutter without bending or twisting it.
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Cores that I cut from .34 wire using the Corbin core cutter.
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Setting Up Dies to Swage in the Corbin S Press:

Before you begin, determine which sort of projectile you want to swage. Here I’m swaging a hollow-ogive, hollow point, flat-base slug. 125 grains is the target weight.

This is a two-part swaging process.
Pt.1, Step 1 - Select the dies and punches. Once I select a die and internal punch set, I use a clean shop towel or clean cloth dampened with acetone and several acetone soaked Q-tips to remove oil from the punches and from within the bores of the die(s). I let them sit a few minutes to allow the acetone to evaporate.

.357 die with an internal hollow-ogive punch.
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Pictured below are a die and internal hollow-ogive punch separated. The die is on the right, the punch on the left. Notice the nipple on the bottom of the internal punch? This can be used to differentiate an internal punch from an external punch (which will be flat on the bottom non-polished portion).
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Profile shot of die and hollow-ogive internal punch put together. The threaded portion of the bottom of the die screws into the ram.
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Pt.1, Step 2 -Insert external punch (that forms the bottom of the projectile) into the floating external punch holder at the top of the S Press (above the die and ram). To do so you must unscrew this floating punch holder retainer at the bottom of the external floating punch holder.
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Hold the retainer's threads facing up and carefully insert the punch through the retainer. Try not to scrape the polished portion of the punch or its finely machined edge on the inner diameter of the retainer. Screw in to the top, but leave the nut loose.
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Insert the base of the punch into the external floating punch holder, align the retainer nut's threads, and screw into the punch holder. Two hands may be best so you do not drop your punch.
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Pt.1 Step 3 - align threads on the die with those in the ram. Insert threaded base of punch into the ram. You can hold the punch with your off hand to prevent it from falling out.
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Then screw the die into the ram.
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Here's the die screwed all the way into the ram. The small hole seen midway down the body of the die is where the sprue (excess lead) exits the die. The catch tray is easy to install by slipping it over the die, working it down past the bleed hole.
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I’m not sure if there is a specific order that is preferable for installing the punch and die. I think it’s best to install them in the order that affords you the most room to move your hands and punches in and out of that space without bumping the punches into anything.

Swaging a Projectile:​

Pt.1, Step 4 - Select a cut core that’s around 4-5 grains heavier than the target weight of the projectile you wish to swage. The more you do this I think the more precise you can be with the core’s weight being closer to the finished projectile’s weight. Roll the core around on a lubricated surface or lube your fingers and rub lube around the projectile (I use Corbin Swage lube. It doesn't take much). Don’t forget to lubricate both cut ends of the core. Then place it on top of the center of the opening on the die or atop the punch. If you place it on the punch you’ll have to hold the core while slowly pushing the ram up until it meets the above punch. Be careful not to pinch your fingers /gloves between the punch and core. Be sure to guide the core so that that bottom of the core enters the die with little resistance.
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Here’s a photo of the core being formed. Notice the excess lead being extruded (ejected) from the die through the bleed hole forming thin strands of sprue. Pay close attention to the line going around the external punch. This is the limit line. It should always be visible above the face/top of the die. lowering it further risks damaging your external punch and the bore of your die.
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Pt.1 Step 5 -Remove formed core. Below is a hollow-ogive core formed atop the die ending the first step of the two-step process. Depending upon the depth of the hollow in the ogive, it may difficult to remove the formed core from the punch with slippery gloves. Keep a clean dry cloth or paper towel close so you can use it to grip the core in order to remove it easier. It may take a tight grip using the dry cloth (between your fingers) and a small amount of force to twist and pull the lubed formed core up and off of the punch. It shouldn't take a lot of force, if it does you likely didn't use enough lube on the ends. If you pull too hard you may risk hitting the base of the formed core against the external punch above. I'm mindful not to touch the punch in the floating pouch holder with the cloth. I don't want to introduce dust or debris into the die. Notice that the punch has lube that has accumulated on it making it easier for foreign particles to stick to it. Brush any lead flakes off of the surface of the die and into the catch tray below.
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Complete forming of the hollow-ogive cores. There’s an unformed core on the stamp pad. I used a blank stamp pad that is usually used to soak up ink for rubber stamps to hold lube to lube cores. I poured a small amount of Corbin swage lube on the pad, used a finger to smear lube across the pad to absorb it so that I can roll cores around on the pad in order to lube cores before swaging. I tried swaging a core without lube. I had to use pliers to gently work it off of the hollow-ogive punch. Don’t do it! @Ca_Varminter thanks for the blank stamp pad suggestion.
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Pt.2, Step 1 - Unscrew and remove the hollow-ogive punch and die from the ram.
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Pt.2 Step 2 - Select a hollow-point forming die and punch set.
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Install them into the ram the way that you installed the previous punch and die set.
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Pt.2, Step 3 - Select a formed core to press into a slug. Be sure that the formed core has adequate lube around the cylinder and around the rim of the hollow.
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Place the formed core (open cavity facing down) onto the die face over the opening of the hollow-tip forming punch.
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Pt.2, Step 4 - Press the formed core into a hollow-ogive, hollow-point slug.
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Pressing the formed core into a slug.
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Pt.2, Step 5 - When you lower the ram you should see an inverted hollow-point slug. At this stage rotate the slug 180º as it sits on the die, then raise the ram again pressing the slug a second time to ensure a more uniform shape and weight. Finally lower the ram and remove the slug.

Pt.2, Step 6 - Weigh it if you like and start pressing the next formed core into a slug. This slug was a tenth of a grain under my target weight which is acceptable to me.
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Pt.2, Step 7 - Sort slugs by weight. Those that come out too heavy (less than 5 grains over the target weight) will be reformed to the closest lower weight that is a multiple of five (a 127 grain slug will become 125 grains). Those that come out too light will be swaged down to the next lowest grain weight that is a multiple of five (a 123 grain slug will become a 120 grains).

Weighed and sorted slugs.
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Finally I use shop paper towels or clean cloth lightly soaked with acetone to wipe the outside of my dies & punches. I use acetone dampened Q-tips to clean the bores of the dies and to wipe the bores with dry Q-tips until they come out fairly clean. Next I use a clean cloth doused with oil to coat my punches and dies before wrapping and stowing them. I use oil soaked Q-tips to oil the bores of the dies. This is to prevent rust during storage. I live in a humid region and this is helpful in the event that my power or air conditioner goes out. It is not recommended to use solutions containing rust inhibitor on Corbin dies and punches.
 
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Late night learning
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Had to cull these. All of the cores were not sized the same as I was adjusting the punch. This is the result of the smaller cores.
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Edit 08/10/24: I reworked the culled slugs. Most were turned into 120 grain slugs. One or two were turned into 125 grain slugs.
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Of all of the slugs measured, they all consistently measure .357 in diameter. This is what precision looks like.
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It almost looks like I know what I’m doing. The depth of the hollow points were pretty consistent with very slight variances of at most 0.05 mm. It’s tough to get a range on the weights. I need another scale. The one I used doesn’t measure tenths or hundredths. I’ll have to grab another one this week. There were some variances in height as great as 0.19 mm. This must be corrected. I have an idea why this occurred. The cores varied in size as I was adjusting my top punch. When I went to swage the ogive, some of the cores were too short to form properly along with the taller and more consistent slugs with a proper ogive and tip formation.

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I’m about half as happy as I was rounding the bases during puberty. It’s starting to feel like I’m getting my money’s worth.

The scale I tried weighing slugs and cores on and they weighed 8 grams before and after. I don't think I took any before photos. 8 grams = approx 123.459 grains. Obviously these slugs weighed over 8 grams before swaging. 8.3 grams = 128.089 grains. Maybe 8.2 - 8.4 grams was the actual core weight range.
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I grabbed another scale after throwing two away that stopped working. It's a cheapo that some tall redhead sold me at a head shop. I'm not sure sure how consistent it will be, but it came with a calibration weight and I have a set to test against it. 8.1 grams = approx 125.002 grains.
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The greatest weight variance was maybe 1.3-1.5 grains. I don't think it will take long to get that under control. As long as I can get all of my slugs within 0.3 of a grain, I'll be happy. Does that seem reasonable?
I’ll make it a point to post the steps to setting up the press tomorrow.
 
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I've been swaging with the Corbin equipment for a little over a year. Awsome stuff! Looks like your getting it figured out. A sugestion from what I have learned would be cut your cores a half to one and a half grains heavier than what you want your finished slug to be. That way when you swage adjust the die till you get the weight you want the excess lead will bleed off through the bleed hole. I cast bullets so the stuff that bleeds off I just throw in my lead pot and recycle.
If you'd like to visit about swaging message me and I'll give you my number.
 
Keep this culls and press adjust their weights to match each other, even if going down 10 grains or more. Shot together, they'll likely shoot the same group size.

The single longer slug in the center is the moa accurate 155 grain, next to the shorter 140 grain culls that I will be testing out for groups.

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My Sweet-Spot for raw cores is 2 to 3 grains heavier...
I like to make sure There is Enough Excess lead to eject out the bleed port.
I have heard that if you cut to close.. Not enough lead is extruded out the port
This can cause the Bleed Port to Plug-Up!!

@Ca_Varminter weighed mine loosely 3 grains over weight, but my scale isn’t precise. The before and after weights were the same which was around 123 grains. Grabbed a scale so I’ll get a better weight later.
Keep this culls and press adjust their weights to match each other, even if going down 10 grains or more. Shot together, they'll likely shoot the same group size.

The single longer slug in the center is the moa accurate 155 grain, next to the shorter 140 grain culls that I will be testing out for groups.

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@Airgun-hobbyist Thanks for the tip. I’d planned to re-swage them. I’m just not quite sure if I’m limited on shape or size. I obviously don’t want to drop too much weight.

Thanks to all who are contributing to the thread.
 
Bleed offs you say ;). There's 4000 + in the photo but I have about 2000 more in this same container right now that I just squished down about even with the top. Fun squishing lead! Trying to see how many I can cram in there, LOL.

Not hollow points and only one operation to do the swaging. 22 cal 42gr.

Not Corbin though.
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Would be interesting if Corbin made a die that would accept the bleed offs and press them into a core that can be used for a slug.
@woogie_man As I stated before, I think it's best to use solid lead cores to swage. All that I have read in the Corbin literature suggests this. However, they do offer core molds where you can melt the lead flakes and sprue and cast them into cores. I've seen videos of guys swaging with cast cores in the S Press as well. Here's a link to the core mold. You just have to determine which size mold you need. I've also seen videos where folks have made their own core molds. Just as long as it produces solid lead cores that can be cut is what I think is important. https://www.corbins.com/shop/corbin-core-mold-516?page=4#attr=448
 
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I added a diagram of the front view of the press to the beginning of the first post. If anyone has any suggestions or corrections please let me know. Not being able to find a labeled diagram of the press was driving me crazy when I was reading about swaging before I got a press. Coming across new terminology with no context can be daunting when you don't know what all of the parts and components are.
 
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So you decided to get a press. Good for you.(y)
7+ years of using this equipment has shown me a few things.
I would suggest making small ( 5 - 15 ) batches of slugs in about 1-2 grain weights for a .357. 1/2 gr. increments for smaller calibers.
Then test fire them. Lots of slugs won't shoot so good.
Making lots of slugs of some weight you think will work and hoping they shoot well will burn a lot of time, lead and air.
Don't get hooked on some weight YOU want. Make what the GUN wants. Just need to find the right length slug for your barrel/gun.

As a beginners post, you should point out the limit line.
If you try to go too light you WILL damage the external punch and possibly the die too!

Here's your photo of the external punch pointing out the limit line.
Steel wool will promote more rust FYI.
I'd suggest the 600 grit and keep a light coat of oil on all surfaces of punches and dies in your environment.
Just my thoughts.

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