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I was reading through the rules and I totally understand how you have read several times trying to figure them out..
so I'm really not familiar with those rifles but I thought I read it has to be below 600fps.. don't get me wrong, I think PCP guns are great, but if there's something CO2 that they approved, CO2 will do 177 at 600 fps in a rifle and then you won't need a full source..I think as a rule CO2 will do around 600 in a rifle or 400 - in a pistol..
I guess what I'm thinking is that if you can do CO2 then you don't need a compressor, hand pump or tank.. to be fair hand pump would not be on my list of things to do.. and my compressor Omega trail charger cost more than anymy guns except for one..
too bad a spring gun like a Diana, Beeman or HW is too hard for him to easily cock.. because a boy with a spring gun and a tin of pellets has a whole day or more of fun for just a few dollars on ammo
I hope you find something that works for the competition and I hope he's got a lifetime of fun shooting targets..
more parents should be like you.
Mark
 
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just got this add, in my email, I had thought about this for you son, since it is traditional rifle and it's adjustable for power and that affects the cocking weight, so as he grows easier to cock it you can up the power, I suppose I should have read to see when it will be available..I saw it at shot show and figured it would be good for some.
myself I'm not a fan of gas rams.. because they eventually loose the charge but this might be ok since it comes with the pump..
Mark

 
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I was reading through the rules and I totally understand how you have read several times trying to figure them out..
so I'm really not familiar with those rifles but I thought I read it has to be below 600fps.. don't get me wrong, I think PCP guns are great, but if there's something CO2 that they approved, CO2 will do 177 at 600 fps in a rifle and then you won't need a full source..I think as a rule CO2 will do around 600 in a rifle or 400 - in a pistol..
I guess what I'm thinking is that if you can do CO2 then you don't need a compressor, hand pump or tank.. to be fair hand pump would not be on my list of things to do.. and my compressor Omega trail charger cost more than anymy guns except for one..
too bad a spring gun like a Diana, Beeman or HW is too hard for him to easily cock.. because a boy with a spring gun and a tin of pellets has a whole day or more of fun for just a few dollars on ammo
I hope you find something that works for the competition and I hope he's got a lifetime of fun shooting targets..
more parents should be like you.
Mark

After reading your responses I started thinking maybe I’m him short. We started him in rimfire on a cricket and he couldn’t grasp and pull the knurled charger at the back. Luckily I found the savage rascal that let him run the gun with a normal bolt.

Your reply made me remember thatI have an old break barrel somewhere that I found in a house we bought. I went and got it. It has a broke front sight but it cocked and fired ok. So I got the little dude and he couldn’t cock it. It was a Beeman Sportster 1000

Maybe something like a daisy underlever. I’m going to find one he can try before I buy one. The way those rules look I think he can shoot silhouettes with CO2. I’m not sure if i understand enough to know what you mean by a spring gun. I always thought spring guns were like the red Ryder style. Thanks again for all the help.
 
After reading your responses I started thinking maybe I’m him short. We started him in rimfire on a cricket and he couldn’t grasp and pull the knurled charger at the back. Luckily I found the savage rascal that let him run the gun with a normal bolt.

Your reply made me remember thatI have an old break barrel somewhere that I found in a house we bought. I went and got it. It has a broke front sight but it cocked and fired ok. So I got the little dude and he couldn’t cock it. It was a Beeman Sportster 1000

Maybe something like a daisy underlever. I’m going to find one he can try before I buy one. The way those rules look I think he can shoot silhouettes with CO2. I’m not sure if i understand enough to know what you mean by a spring gun. I always thought spring guns were like the red Ryder style. Thanks again for all the help.
Honestly, at his age I would stay away from an underlever or side lever. They can be hard on a finger or thumb if something fails and the parts start flying forward while he is loading. I understand a finger can be lost that way or at least severely broken. There is much less chance of that happening with a break barrel. One very safe option is an underlever, the HW 57 which has a pop up breech, so no place for a finger to get hurt.
Here is a link to Krale, a dealer in the Netherlands which has an excellent reputation for shipping airguns to the US, at very good prices


I have two , both with aperture rear sights, actually old Anschutz match type sights, although the smaller Williams type sights will work. These guns are among the easiest to cock of any I have seen, probably similar in effort to the break barrel HW30, which is the one I would choose for a young shooter, as it is a couple of steps less in loading.
 
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Read post #4 in this thread, and some of the others.

 
After reading your responses I started thinking maybe I’m him short. We started him in rimfire on a cricket and he couldn’t grasp and pull the knurled charger at the back. Luckily I found the savage rascal that let him run the gun with a normal bolt.

Your reply made me remember thatI have an old break barrel somewhere that I found in a house we bought. I went and got it. It has a broke front sight but it cocked and fired ok. So I got the little dude and he couldn’t cock it. It was a Beeman Sportster 1000

Maybe something like a daisy underlever. I’m going to find one he can try before I buy one. The way those rules look I think he can shoot silhouettes with CO2. I’m not sure if i understand enough to know what you mean by a spring gun. I always thought spring guns were like the red Ryder style. Thanks again for all the help.
so if he couldn't cock the brake barrel, it will take a lower power one.. that is basically what I was saying, the link to the Omni Storm unfortunately it won't be available until mid year or so.. I don't like gas ram type guns compared to spring guns just because the gas ramp loses pressure over time where a spring gun works until it's broken or bad seals which could be 29 years away.. however the Omni Storm comes with the pump to adjust it and refill it if it loses it air..
I'm really thinking, hopefully someone else can chime in but since he's small, and you don't use over 600 fps, there should be a CO2 gun that would work and then you won't need to get a compressor and it should be easy to cock since it's running on CO2 instead of the spring or gas ram.
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I don’t know anything about Airgun. My kid shot with a borrowed gun in his first 4h competition last week as a spur of the moment decision (in addition to rimfire). My dude (10 year old), won the junior class with 2 out of 20 silhouettes.

What can I say a win is a win but he wants to shoot more and now I’m on the hunt for something for him to shoot. So I figured I’d better learn about air guns. Thanks in advance for all the knowledge here. I’ve been lurking for a few days and have already learned a bunch. Now i just have to figure out what he can shoot and how to afford it 😬.

Awesome Dad, your son is going to really appreciate you taking this seriously.

I have no advice for what equipment you need just don't forget to make sure your son is comfortable with what you get him not just physically but mentally and socially its a confidence thing and confidence plays a big part in hitting the target. Please don't think I am trying to tell you how to be a father that is not what I'm trying to do , I am just flashing back to when I was 10.

Another thing I have not seen mentioned is the importance of the right pellet . Whatever you end up with may not accurately shoot the first type of pellet you try It's usually a trial error process to figure out which pellet your gun shoots accurately and consistently. So when you do purchase something come back let us know what you got and ask what pellet it shoots best I am sure there will be no shortage of recommendations.
 
What is a springer? Like a break barrel or under cocker?
When we say springer, be it a break barrel, which opens and cocks like a double barrel shotgun, a side lever or underlever, think about the old Daisy BB guns, if you had one in your youth, but on steroids , precison machined steel vs stamped sheet metal. The basic action of the Daisy and the modern spring action pellet guns is the same.
 
so if he couldn't cock the brake barrel, it will take a lower power one.. that is basically what I was saying, the link to the Omni Storm unfortunately it won't be available until mid year or so.. I don't like gas ram type guns compared to spring guns just because the gas ramp loses pressure over time where a spring gun works until it's broken or bad seals which could be 29 years away.. however the Omni Storm comes with the pump to adjust it and refill it if it loses it air..
I'm really thinking, hopefully someone else can chime in but since he's small, and you don't use over 600 fps, there should be a CO2 gun that would work and then you won't need to get a compressor and it should be easy to cock since it's running on CO2 instead of the spring or gas ram.
Mark
I might’ve just bought a Daisy 887 CO2 gun. 😉 If I stop posting in the next week or two have the sheriff do a welfare check. We’ll finally know how many unauthorized purchases it took my wife to get mad.

I originally wrote these off because. In thought they worked of little CO 2 cartridges. I didn’t understand. Not sure where I will get it filled but even if it doesn’t work. What paid should let me get out of it. With that said the one you posted looks sweet we might need that too when it comes out. It’s a relatively heavy gun but since I’ve got two kids (one older) that also wants to shoot air and two six years olds that will start in a year and a half. I feel like I’m just uncorking this genie.

Certainly there is much more but if thet stick with it.
 
Read post #4 in this thread, and some of the others.

I can see that happening, only as a series of unusual events.

Digit in breech, while cocking. On a right hand side lever action you would have to be holding the rifle with a digit from your left hand in the breech. Basic gun safety violation.

Then

Trigger misadjusted or worn. The latter should be obvious prior and the former not the fault of the action.

Possibly, failure of the safety mechanism. I can't fire my lever action until the action is fully seated. I don't know how others work but 2 different mfg I have require the lever fully seated.

To make it an unsafe condition requires active participation of the operator.

You could close a break barrel on a digit, but active participation of the operator required.

Side lever are safe, gun owners are not.
 
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I might’ve just bought a Daisy 887 CO2 gun. 😉 If I stop posting in the next week or two have the sheriff do a welfare check. We’ll finally know how many unauthorized purchases it took my wife to get mad.

I originally wrote these off because. In thought they worked of little CO 2 cartridges. I didn’t understand. Not sure where I will get it filled but even if it doesn’t work. What paid should let me get out of it. With that said the one you posted looks sweet we might need that too when it comes out. It’s a relatively heavy gun but since I’ve got two kids (one older) that also wants to shoot air and two six years olds that will start in a year and a half. I feel like I’m just uncorking this genie.

Certainly there is much more but if thet stick with it.


That 887 looks like a great choice. It has a Lothar Walther barrel that is a good thing co2 easy looks cool and some good write-ups on that model . Nice start.
 
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Awesome Dad, your son is going to really appreciate you taking this seriously.

I have no advice for what equipment you need just don't forget to make sure your son is comfortable with what you get him not just physically but mentally and socially its a confidence thing and confidence plays a big part in hitting the target. Please don't think I am trying to tell you how to be a father that is not what I'm trying to do , I am just flashing back to when I was 10.

Another thing I have not seen mentioned is the importance of the right pellet . Whatever you end up with may not accurately shoot the first type of pellet you try It's usually a trial error process to figure out which pellet your gun shoots accurately and consistently. So when you do purchase something come back let us know what you got and ask what pellet it shoots best I am sure there will be no shortage of recommendations.
The little dude and I have had a hell of a year. I take my kids with me a lot to work. We own our own business or maybe the business owns us not sure sometimes. However it allows me the freedom to take my kids with me.

On September 8th, 2024. The little guy was with me when I had a heart attack at work. I didn’t know it was a heart attack. I didn't know til I got diagnosed at the hospital what was happening. All while he was sitting beside me looking so small and trying to be so brave. We think that was my third heart attack. Turns out allot of guys walk them off. But I can tell you this after my wife got there the longest moment of my life was having to tell him goodbye and not know if I would see him again and the overwhelming sadness of not being able to say goodbye to his siblings is something I can’t really explain. It wasn’t going good and it was continuing to get worse. They put me on a gurney, put me in an ambulance, and took me to another hospital. Where I had an emergency catheter while they were trying to figure out why it was getting worse. Here’s what can tell you as a dad. When I wasn’t sure I would wake up from the surgery. I only wanted a few more minutes with my kids. I wasn’t worried about going to heaven. I was worried that they might not know how much I loved them, how proud I was every time they held up the door for someone unasked, or when they said yes sir and no ma’am to a stranger, most importantly when I see them be brave.

The funny thing is that heart attack probably saved my life. We found some issues I didn’t know about that had been with me since birth. Without getting diagnosed I would have probably died in my 50s (I’m 46). This allowed me to change almost everything in my life. I lost 30 pounds and eat completely different.

The easiest part of the fallout was some new limitations and challenges. My little guy on the other hand didn’t want to go places with me anymore because he was afraid I wouldn’t make it back. So I set out to change that. It’s amazing how important confidence is especially when facing fear.

When I was 12 my dad bought me a deer rifle and told me he was going to take me hunting. We never made it. My dad is 71 now and I’m not sure if we’ve even been fishing more than a hand full of times.

I decided to be different. My dude and I went out on opening day of deer season and I shot my first deer with him. PHe had to hold my phone while we watched the Steve Rinela meet eater video on how to field dress a deer. When I couldn’t figure it out. He would rewind and we finally got it. After watching me hunt he decided he wanted to try it. He got his first deer a couple of weeks later. Both of those does are in our freezer now.

Even on the days where we didn’t see deer we would shoot targets. It was amazing to watch him go from being unsure to sure with the confidence and ability to go get his own food.

We’ve done the fossil hunting trip he wanted to do too.

Now we are doing the 4-H shooting. Mostly I’m just trying to say yes to stuff and spend time with him and his siblings.

To be clear I don’t take offense to anything you say. I’m trying to gently push my kids into new stuff and encourage them to stick with certain things long enough to get the confidence you’re talking about. Without being a helicopter parent that’s living through them.

So when he was like I want to try different events at the next event. I was like absolutely. It’s the same with the guns. If he can’t shoot it comfortably or doesn’t like it we move on to something else. I just try to let him tell me without pushing to much of my thoughts on it.

Thanks for bringing up the ammo type. I know it’s that way for every rifle. The all have a preference. But I wasn’t sure it was that important I’m sure rifles. Thanks for that info. I will make sure and test multiple pellets.
 
You might want to get AOAs opinion before you buy
I will talk to them either way. There might be something better. But also he may decide he hates it and I might use it to shoot the squirrels that bark at my kids while they are on the swing. My worst case is I end up giving it to 4-h shooting club we are part of or selling it But since the sporting air event explicitly only allows like 10 or so guns it seemed like an ok gamble for a couple hundred bucks. It’s a wild set of rules.

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yes, I personally like the HW95 in .20 cal also .22 as they buck the wind better in my opinion. but as I said (AOA) is a reputable dealer, been in business for years.
We are definitely going to try the springers as well. Just trying to work out getting some in our hands for him to shoot before we buy one.