HUMA Regulator End-Screw Flow Dampener

TL /DR version: Don't crush the threads to keep the screw from moving.

Long Version: My P15 was holding air perfectly since I got it, and after I put the Huma in for months. My power had dipped a little and I was trying to figure out why. I then asked on some forum about that end screw and someone had said to use pliers to crush some of the threads just enough so the screw doesn't work its way out or in, because you can't use threadlocker obviously, air has to get by. I used small needle nosed pliers and barely touched a small section on the middle of the screw. I could barely tell that I had done anything and not wanting to do any more to the screw I put the smallest cable tie I had onto the threads to at least prevent it from working in. I put the gun back together and I was experimenting with different spring set ups for more power. After a couple of different attempts and shot strings, mid-string, all the air dumps out of my barrel. My poppet was no longer holding air. On closer inspection it looked like someone pushed on the seating surface with the blade of a knife. I believe one extremely tiny (microscopic) piece of a crushed thread from that screw must have worked its way through the regulator and pass the poppet creating that scratch. It is the only thing that had changed and the only thing that makes any sense. I managed to fix the poppet, which was a real pain without a lathe, and the gun works fine now. Leave the threads alone. That's my cautionary tale for what it's worth.

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Are we speaking of the PRIMARY brass seat height adjuster ? .... Or the small stainless grub screw that acts as a flow damper ?



the brass adjuster to aluminum body can certainly have loc-tite applied, tho VERY sparingly or use Vibra-tite. The Small grub screw is where the air must pass around threads and needs to hang there not being seated or falling out with No thread locker used !
 
I had a problem with that stainless screw years ago in my Wildcat .25 years ago. I cured the problem by removing the little 4 mm screw that sets down inside the brass adjustment screw on my Huma. It is not required for your Huma to operate correctly, and without it your reset time is instantaneous. I do not believe I need it to prevent debris from entering because I only use air that has been through numerous filters at a scuba fill station that fills tanks for divers. I only had one clog in my Huma over the years due to a piece of lint that must have stuck to my fill probe when I pulled it out of my pocket and put it in the air tank to fill it. After removing the reg and cleaning out the lint it has worked flawlessly ever since.

Best regards, Chuck
 
PumaCarl, There are several dozen Wildcats and Streamlines out there that are tuned to perfection and that are operating flawlessly without that 4mm screw in the top of their Huma. Huub has told me the same thing about that screw being a critical part of his design, but I have proven otherwise. Next time you contact him ask how many of his regulators he has installed in FX Wildcat's or Streamlines...as a matter of fact ask him if he even owns an air rifle and see what he says...😂

All in good fun, Chuck
 
As too the little SS grub screw, I always have used them but with a mod done now for years !!

With the grub screw in a 1.5 mm allen, touch it to the side of a bench grinder wheel making a single full length flat that is just to the root of threads.

Refresh is faster, tho not super fast so seat takes a beating. never had issue with this mod and it actually came from Huub years ago when we spoke of the flow damper screw.
 
TL /DR version: Don't crush the threads to keep the screw from moving.

Long Version: My P15 was holding air perfectly since I got it, and after I put the Huma in for months. My power had dipped a little and I was trying to figure out why. I then asked on some forum about that end screw and someone had said to use pliers to crush some of the threads just enough so the screw doesn't work its way out or in, because you can't use threadlocker obviously, air has to get by. I used small needle nosed pliers and barely touched a small section on the middle of the screw. I could barely tell that I had done anything and not wanting to do any more to the screw I put the smallest cable tie I had onto the threads to at least prevent it from working in. I put the gun back together and I was experimenting with different spring set ups for more power. After a couple of different attempts and shot strings, mid-string, all the air dumps out of my barrel. My poppet was no longer holding air. On closer inspection it looked like someone pushed on the seating surface with the blade of a knife. I believe one extremely tiny (microscopic) piece of a crushed thread from that screw must have worked its way through the regulator and pass the poppet creating that scratch. It is the only thing that had changed and the only thing that makes any sense. I managed to fix the poppet, which was a real pain without a lathe, and the gun works fine now. Leave the threads alone. That's my cautionary tale for what it's worth.


Did you pull the reg, remove the grub screw and confirm that a piece of thread is missing? If not, you are giving advice based on speculation. I am the guy who gave you the advice on how to keep the screw from migrating based on an email I received from Huma and implemented on all my guns without incident. You have a Chinagun. It is more likely there has been junk floating around inside it from day one. Or from every time you take it apart and put it back together a new piece of debris is created.
 
As too the little SS grub screw, I always have used them but with a mod done now for years !!

With the grub screw in a 1.5 mm allen, touch it to the side of a bench grinder wheel making a single full length flat that is just to the root of threads.

Refresh is faster, tho not super fast so seat takes a beating. never had issue with this mod and it actually came from Huub years ago when we spoke of the flow damper screw.

Motörhead Scott, this is exactly how I did the screw on my Marauder 25 cal, cause it suggested it in the instructions.

As far as your comment on the lock tite or vibratite, do you apply some still on the threads of that ground screw to keep it from backing out? The refresh is pretty quick, really. Feels like I have no reg installed whatsoever.