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Uglyjohn

Uglyjohn

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When seated in a match, I cock my under lever springer by lifting it off the bipod and resting the butt on my thigh - muzzle up. Nothing supporting the bipod now so I move it back and rest it against my other leg. Now I have to put the bipod back to somewhere near it’s former position, place the gun and readjust the for the next shot. All in all a pretty slow process. Does anyone use a different, more time efficient routine? Uj


 
These pics are from page 9 of the AAFTA handbook. Using a 'stop' would at least simplify the process of getting the gun in the same place on the bi-pod each time. 



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When seated in a match, I cock my under lever springer by lifting it off the bipod and resting the butt on my thigh - muzzle up. Nothing supporting the bipod now so I move it back and rest it against my other leg. Now I have to put the bipod back to somewhere near it’s former position, place the gun and readjust the for the next shot. All in all a pretty slow process. Does anyone use a different, more time efficient routine? Uj

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Just like you..
 
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If you know your going to take a lot of time .... Try this.

While still standing ( prior too ) sitting down with gun in hand and not starting clock ... COCK & LOAD IT

Sit down ( Clock starts if rifle in hand ) and configure your shooting position, Range and get dope figure ..... SHOOT



I do similar in PCP, tho load while seated, cock & load, Range, Dope , Shoot



Scott S
 
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If I were to see a shooter cocking/loading his weapon at the lane with the timer not started they would get a warning(when using timer). 

My reasong being if you're loading, or preparing to load the gun the shooting process has begun and are therefore adressing the target. Even if the main rule is but to seat, addressing the target takes precedent over being seated. It's no different, in my brain as ranging a target before you're seated. Technically you are not sitting so no timer yet. You are however addressing the target and therefore the timer starts.

If the clock is already running, or there's not one then however you can get it done without flagging the line is fair game.
 
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I have shot with timers and without.

Who cares?

It is supposed to be fun.

Scott will tell you I shoot faster than anyone at the club matches.

Springer or PCP.

Personally I don’t need the self-supporting BS.

That is why we in Northern California have asked certain folks not to shoot with us.

Example: At a club match a few years ago, the target kill zones were kinda out of sync with the target faces.

A new shooter (his 2nd match) was shooting behind me on an adjacent lane. I saw where he was hitting the target face and told him where to hold on the kill zone. He did and the target dropped.

Another shooter on a lane to my right attempted to chastise me (you can’t do that BTW) about helping and providing shooting advice.

I informed the perp that this was a frigging club match and to cool his jets.

A couple of matches after that he was asked not to shoot with us anymore…

I have been shooting shoulder mounted arms for 70+ years but I will accept help and advice from everyone and if the clock timer bell rings, so what?




 
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If I were to see a shooter cocking/loading his weapon at the lane with the timer not started they would get a warning(when using timer). 

My reasong being if you're loading, or preparing to load the gun the shooting process has begun and are therefore adressing the target. Even if the main rule is but to seat, addressing the target takes precedent over being seated. It's no different, in my brain as ranging a target before you're seated. Technically you are not sitting so no timer yet. You are however addressing the target and therefore the timer starts.

If the clock is already running, or there's not one then however you can get it done without flagging the line is fair game.
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Even so .. if the MD is going to be caring so much as to be that specific on clock start ... was trying to help him have a rifle ready to go when ranging, figuring dope. and getting off the shot in a timely manor. Not a debate on the degrees of Match Directing tolerances.

Ranging first, then dope data THEN COCKING the rifles really screws up the flow being you need to settle back into position, reaffirm what you did prior before shooting.

The more you FUSS ABOUT once you have come to a conclusion on how your going to take the shot ... worse chance you have of doing so successfully. In the spring gun world of FT ... Start out with a ready to shoot rifle, finger OUT OF trigger area ... get you poop together and shoot it !!



Scott S
 
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Loading standing up before the timer starts seems like a safety issue. Not sure about AAFTA, but most rules include a statement to the effect that the gun can only be loaded when in the shooting position. Loading a gun, then sitting down to start the clock and get ready to shoot seems unsafe. Never seen it before and just my opinion after match directing for 23 years.

Tim
 
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If the push back is such ... So be it, Sit and load first then.

Frankly so long as muzzle stays pointed down range at all time which is required ... Enforced by one's shooting partner !!

It still is a MD's call to make. Hell we load while standing for Offhand or Kneeling already .. Huh ?



Just a rebuttal in re-visiting common sense practices.



Scott S


 
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Scott, I respect you as a shooter, tuner, match director and stand up gentleman. My concern is safety not so much order of operation. A lot can happen between being on your feet, and being on your bucket, or the ground. Hell, I've seen people fall standing still. Not to mention the ravages of age on coordination and balance.

Also, I've done my share of springer shooting both break barrel and underlever. I've shot them off the knee and with sticks. I understand the extra step or two involved to keep your place.

The springer shooters I've had the pleasure to watch all seem to fall into prepping everthing up to taking the the shot, cocking, loading, closing the breach then back into position before releasing the sear.

As for falling sticks there's no rule against a lanyard between the handle and your wrist to keep them from falling forwards.

PeweeDaddy, I don't think we've met. I'm John. While I may not have the background in PB events you do, I've shot FT from my back yard to Europe. I've even ran into Scott a few times. I wouldn't be shooting if fun wasn't first thing. The next is safety. I am not soft about or give deference when the shooters and spectators safety come to question, full stop. As for following rules put in place to stroke ego's, I'm not so adherent.

I hope this clears up my earlier comment and settles any ruffled feathers. 
 
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What are you talking about???

PB events?

My PB events are limited to hunting and combat.

I took up FT after meeting Scott on line and shooting a bench rest match or two.

The OP asked if there was a more efficient way to handle his rifle and sticks.

He did not want a pissing contest from someone looking to impress someone with his alleged importance.

I have addressed safety issues on many occasions at many venues but, have always been told it was not my job and I should let it go.

Now, unless a barrel is pointed at ME, I could care less.

If that barrel IS pointed at me the language that I will use is not suitable for publishing here.
 
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What are you talking about???

PB events?

My PB events are limited to hunting and combat.

I took up FT after meeting Scott on line and shooting a bench rest match or two.

The OP asked if there was a more efficient way to handle his rifle and sticks.

He did not want a pissing contest from someone looking to impress someone with his alleged importance.

I have addressed safety issues on many occasions at many venues but, have always been told it was not my job and I should let it go.

Now, unless a barrel is pointed at ME, I could care less.

If that barrel IS pointed at me the language that I will use is not suitable for publishing here.
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A bit off topic but none the less safety is number one in importance at any match. Someone who tells you different is wrong. Everyone at a match is considered a safety officer and can and should bring up any safety issues. 
 
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