Hunting versus Killing

How do you make folks understand that hunting is not about killing something? Hunting is to immerse yourself in the experience. The simple act of being in the in the wilderness is to become one with and respect the forest, fauna and animals that reside there. I've been on many hunts where I never fired a shot, but returned home renewed for the experience itself. A person who takes pleasure in taking a life, simply for the act of the killing has a rotten soul. I hope this message resonates with you all and helps you become a mature hunter.

I leave you now with this quote from George Bird Evans:

"The child tells what he got for Christmas, the mature man tells how he spent the day; the immature hunter tells how many birds he shot, the mature gunner tells of the experience."
 
My late grandfather told me once about fishing: its not about how many fish you catch, it's the time spent with nature.
I apply it to life in general.
Another quote I heard was: a man can spend his whole life fishing and not realize it's not the fish that he is after, but the peace.
I do understand what you are saying. Hunting is a vast experience vs killing(I'm guessing you're not speaking about "pesting")
Pesting is a whole different ballgame(protecting what can't protect itself)
Love the post!!🤗🎩🤙
 
EH…this is something I highly disagree on. Yes everything you say is true but it’s a lot about the killing. I think there is no shame in admitting it. We are predators plain and simple. There will always be people that don’t accept something. I don’t think we need to sugar coat it. If they don’t like it so be it. There are many things I’m considered a bigot or horrible person for not accepting. Always will be this way.
 
I think it's easier to explain to folks when they totally don't expect you are a hunter. Many people ask me crazy questions when they find out I hunt but the best comment I got was,"You don't wear any camo." Well I do, I just don't wear it when I'm doing anything other than hunting.
When asked why I go sit out in the early morning cold to kill something I can explain that it's a sort of meditation on life, the universe, and everything. And that meditation quiets my mind and lets me unconsciously focus on my surroundings. It also is a beautiful experience to sit quietly in the woods and take it all in, watch the sunrise, etc.
The killing part is the briefest of moments and it's done with the purpose of eating what I kill. Yeah I go out there to kill something, so while that's the goal/purpose of being out there, there are so many other benefits to me personally that I can hunt and be happy coming home empty handed.
It's just like the saying,"A bad day of fishing is still better than a good day at the office."
 
Amen!!!

I am fortunate enough to have enjoyed the pursuit and the tranquility of the hunt before. The few times I hiked long ways with a gun to hunt I ended up just putting the gun down and enjoyed the surroundings. In the pursuit/tranquility of the hunt I realized killing for food is great but I have food readily available so didn’t feel the need to kill and ended up just enjoying watching my “preys”. A good camera would have been more useful than the dead weight gun honestly. LOL

I also have found other more readily/convenient ways to experience the meditation aspect with things like hiking(hunting without a gun), exercise and fasting. Thanks to that I’ll gladly and purposefully kill with no mercy(to invaders) in my backyard because I can’t afford to fix my roof like many of my neighbors. Guess that would make me a mindless killer. 🤔😳🤬

Edit: I’m not against killing for food at all, I just don’t feel the need for it and I will if I need to. BUT I honestly hope I don’t ever have to need to kill for food.
 
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Since I've started posting airgun hunting pictures/videos, over a decade and an half now, I've been constantly repremended
( Way more back when the Yellow was on, much less now )
That I didn't smile, giggle, laugh like a school kid in my pictures or video ( isn't that what you see on hunting videos after all ? )

Anyway, ever since I've been trying to explain that even if I absolutely love to hunt the actual killing is an anticlimax for me and do not particularly enjoy the action, I certainly not gonna have a big grin in my pictures.
 
Replying as a nonhunter, I can think of many aspects that need to be examined individually.

The discipline of tracking, learning about the animals, and being able to stealthily keep tabs on their movement appeals to me—a LOT. There really does seem to be an innate human drive towards predation, including on fellow humans, even without any killing involved. Knowledge is power even in the absence of brute force.

I don’t care about harvesting game meat or antlers or bragging points, nor do I want to do the icky part (dealing with the dead body), so traditional game hunting is not on my list of potential hobbies.

At the same time, I take a cold view about eliminating real threats, a.k.a self defense. This is not what most have in mind with airgun use. The only such scenario for ME living here (aside from human criminals) is the high likelihood of encountering vicious loose dogs on my own property. I have zero qualms about finding and killing such dogs on my own property, although I have not yet “hunted them down.” Just saying that it’s an activity some would abhor but would not bother my conscience at all. Therefore, dealing with its dead body would be something to tolerate for the bigger purpose of eliminating the threat. Not a hobby, but this kind of hunting would require some of the same skills and discipline as “regular hunting.” And I consider this a job for the PB. Might be doable with a powerful air rifle and scope, though. This is actually a consideration in my list of wants for another airgun.

As for appreciating nature and the outdoors, I’ve been doing that forever via other means such as hiking, bicycling, kayaking, photography, camping, and observing wildlife without any, um, ulterior motive.

If you legally and ethically hunt, there’s no need to defend your choice. Friendly curiosity about why you like it is very different from pushing back against criticism from no-nothings.
 
@jetpopt - I also appreciate nature the same other ways you do, but when I do those other activities I find I'm moving through it all and seeing less. That doesn't take anything away from the experience, it's just different. None of those activities for me involve sitting motionless for long periods of time waiting like I do when hunting. There's just something about it, even if I have an ulterior motive. :)

Maybe I should do yoga and meditate.:LOL:

Hunting is also a great time to bird watch.
 
How do you make folks understand that hunting is not about killing something? Hunting is to immerse yourself in the experience. The simple act of being in the in the wilderness is to become one with and respect the forest, fauna and animals that reside there. I've been on many hunts where I never fired a shot, but returned home renewed for the experience itself. A person who takes pleasure in taking a life, simply for the act of the killing has a rotten soul. I hope this message resonates with you all and helps you become a mature hunter…
@Stan’s boy John “Hunting” means different things to different people. “Hunting” and “killing” are not synonymous, yet the kill is a part of a successful hunt. I’ve hunted with several people who claimed to have had good hunting dogs and we didn’t catch anything. Even with good dogs, some animals just outsmart them or have a better day than the dog. We still hunted. I’ve gone out and seen animals where a good shot didn’t present itself or I took a shot and missed. All of the preparation to locate and anticipate where an animal would be is a part of the hunt. Learning the animal’s behavior is a part of the hunt. To prove a point I’ll preface this by saying that I deplore canned hunts. I also am not a fan of baiting, BUT when people bait animals they have an idea of what attracts them and where to place the bait. This comes with obtaining some sort of info on the animal’s behavior.

For me, just setting eyes on my quarry and their signs makes it worth going out there on a hunt. When I didn’t know what I was doing I wouldn’t see anything for days. To experience being in nature is a good feeling, but I pretty much live in proximity to nature so the effect may be different for someone who lives in a sub-urban or urban environment. Or maybe not. Additionally, I can go outside of my door and do a little birding, go for a walk, bike ride, or ATV ride in through the woods or take a boat out to get out and enjoy nature. I don’t need to hunt to do that.

For people who just want to kill something or worse, just want to shoot a living thing - I won’t allow them to hunt with me if I sense any indication of that attitude. I know people that just want to shoot at dangerous or frightened animals on the move. That’s not my style of hunting. As a hunter, I acknowledge hunting to be a blood sport that I consider humane. Why is it a blood sport? Because I conclude my hunts with killing and sometimes eating the meat. I kill animals by shooting and sometimes stabbing them. I aim to disrupt their nervous center directly with a projectile or to deprive it of oxygen via blood loss at times choking/drowning them in their own blood or in water. If it sounds violent that’s because it is. I consider it humane because I watch how animals kill one another and death by my hands is often quicker and less violent, but rarely instantaneous. Death is a process. I can’t stress this enough.

Since I've started posting airgun hunting pictures/videos, over a decade and an half now, I've been constantly repremended
( Way more back when the Yellow was on, much less now )
That I didn't smile, giggle, laugh like a school kid in my pictures or video ( isn't that what you see on hunting videos after all ? )

Anyway, ever since I've been trying to explain that even if I absolutely love to hunt the actual killing is an anticlimax for me and do not particularly enjoy the action, I certainly not gonna have a big grin in my pictures.
@Nomadic Pirate 66 I get the not smiling thing from women mostly. If they know me they know I don’t usually walk around smiling anyway. But I explain to them that killing something is serious business. It’s like the discussion we had after I shot the deer last year. I experienced a wave of emotions. None of that made me smile outwardly, but I was thankful for the culmination of my efforts resulting in a successful hunt despite what others thought or said. That was for me and who I chose to share it with. Now I can see myself smiling and being pumped after a certain type of big-game hunt. But like I said that’s just one of many emotions experienced.
 
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At twelve years old I became a regular Terminator with a 12 gauge pump shotgun purchased with savings from my $6/day farm work. So much so that I experienced a guilt-feelings blood-sport epiphany.

But realizing my hunting instincts too strong to forsake, I began introducing, exploring, and emphasizing less efficient killing tools; at times taken to such extremes as hunting dangerous game with longbows of my own making.

In my subsequent obsessive reading about hunting challenges taken to what contemporary hunters would consider extremes, I not only learned a lot about many things those same contemporary hunters would find boring, useless or silly, but to revere nature, how to still-hunt, stalk game, be patient enough to wait for the right shot presentation, appreciate actual hunting experience(s) and hunting pioneers, much about hunting ethics, how to build bows, and reading and writing beyond an eigth-grade level.

I recall some pertinent quotes; some not read (or re-read) in decades. Hence, I plagiarize them now with the disclaimer my memory is not photographic enough to be verbatim correct. However I can only hope to quote closely enough to pass on enough of the wisdom and passion in them to instill some of the hunting ethics from which they were born. Mind you, some go back as far as the Civil War era.

"In the early dawn of life Man took up weapons against the beasts about him. With the implements of the chase he has won his way in the world. The love of the chase still thrills us..." (In ascending to the top of the food chain Man has continually developed more efficient killing tools, losing most of his hunting ethics in the process.)

"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction, it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." (Not nearly so much nowadays in most 'hunters'. However, some of my most gratifying hunting experiences are magnified greatly by the great efforts, trials and tribulations involved in securing success.)

"Why men should kill deer ia a moot question, but it is a habit of the brute. For so many hundreds of years we have been at it, that we can hardly be expected to reform immediately. Undoubtedly, it is a sign of undeveloped ethnic consciousness. We are depraved animals." Inarguably!

"No one can know how I have loved the woods, the streams, the trails of the wild, the ways of the things of slender limbs, of fine nose, of great eager ears, of mild way eyes, and of vague, half-revealed forms and colors. I have been their friend and mortal enemy. I have so loved them that I longed to kill them. But I gave them far more than a fair chance." (I was so moved by that quote that I ripped it off to name my custom-built line of longbows and recurves.)

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"The first buck I ever landed with the bow thrilled me to such an extent that every detail is memorable. It was the sweetest venison we ever tasted." (For me, MUCH more-so the only buck I ever landed with a longbow of my own making.)

"Ishi always said that a white man smelled like a horse, and in hunting made a noise like one, but apparently he doesn't always have horse sense." (FWIW, I now use Old Spice 'Fresh' deodorant.)

"It is not about the size of the bag, but the magnitude of the challenge."

Meaning game bag; NOT nut-bag!
 
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I like it when I place a shot in an animal well and it dies immediately. But I also like it when I place pellets on the X dot shooting targets. I find it easier to keep myself still shooting targets, however. I can get "buck fever" on a squirrel.

But I agree completely that hunting is about the experience and if you only have fun when you kill something you should probably find another hobby. Probably the best hunt I had last year was a squirrel hunt where I did not get even one shot. But I saw two nice buck deer. The bigger one, I think it was a 6 point moved slowly within 10 -15 yards and then his path took him away. Never did scent or otherwise detect me. Then a little 4 point came up from behind me and scented me and ran off. But he also got within about 10 yards.

One reason I eat most of the squirrel I take is is seems wrong not to. They taste pretty good but the amount of meat is so small it's hardly worth the trouble of cleaning them. But to kill it and dispose of it just doesn't seem right. To me, taking animals cleanly, humanely, and then dealing ethically with the remains is all part of the experience. The kill shot is part of it but only a part.
 
I spent a year plus flyfishing the Pennsylvania Limestoners for both wild and stocked Brown Trout. Initially, I moved there simply to get away from NJ. Any way, I started with a Wally World fiberglass fly rod better suited to flogging largemouth bass in the head, but somehow in a matter of months moved up in casting ability and quality of equipment. I had a two weight, a three, a four and a Western five. Bought fly tying materials and a vise and taught myself. Read A Modern Dry Fly Code so many times I had parts of it memorized. Seriously. And as I progressed it is obvious to me now...my first fly caught trout, a brookie. My first dry fly caught brown. Then it became "can I repeat that success?" After that, it was techniques and casting, while becoming a veritable trout vacuum. All this was on storied waters, The Letort, the Yellow Breeches, Big Spring, and Green Spring creeks. In other words, I cut my flyfishing teeth on the most difficult water possible here in The States. It went from multiples of Browns to huge ghastly big Browns near nightfall under bridges and logjams. Eventually I started tying my own patterns, The Disco Midge among them. A family situation ended my fly fishing career, and medical needs for a child led to the sale of everything. For decades I have still had dreams of the Yellow Breeches. Sometimes I still awaken, sweaty with the smell of honeysuckle in my nose from that stream, though none grows on my property.
You ask how to show someone what it really is to hunt? Take them. My father taught me, but there are way too many "babydaddies" and way too few dads nowadays. If you do take someone, be sensitive to today's emotional set. Take the person and not the gun the first time. Let the woods come alive in the morning, or the sun set softly on a late October evening. Let them smell the Cinnamon of the Woods and hear the birds settle in the evening. After a trip or two let them shoot with you at the range. Then another woods trip....with a gun. Kill something, clean it, cook it and invite them to the feast. Even if you are not religious, be reverent about your kill, and the meal from it. It is hard to discount or walk away from the raw positivity and the sensate impressions. I still smell the Striper Surf, the Woods, the streams. They are burned into my soul. Take them hunting. But teach them WELL.
Blessings!
 
Since I've started posting airgun hunting pictures/videos, over a decade and an half now, I've been constantly repremended
( Way more back when the Yellow was on, much less now )
That I didn't smile, giggle, laugh like a school kid in my pictures or video ( isn't that what you see on hunting videos after all ? )

Anyway, ever since I've been trying to explain that even if I absolutely love to hunt the actual killing is an anticlimax for me and do not particularly enjoy the action, I certainly not gonna have a big grin in my pictures.
Hey, I resemble that remark. Yes I'm smiling in the one picture of the ground squirrel I FINALLY got. I actually don't take any pleasure in it, I have zero need where I live to kill gray squirrels, they aren't bother me ...too much, or the couple of bunnies in my yard, until they become many more, then it's game on or I'll trap them and release them where I go after ground squirrels
 
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