Alot of people here have way more experience than I do, and I would appreciate your opinions. My question is, are fixed barrel springers like HW77 as an example more accurate and consistent than break barrels say a HW95 for instance. Thanks.
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I would think that a solid barrel to receiver being more consistently accurate would be the design philosophy.
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In my experience a breakbarrel can be as accurate as a fixed-barrel. I had a HW98 that was the same caliber and tuned to the same power level as my HW97. They were equally accurate but the added weight and balance of the 97 seemed to make it better suited as a target rifle at distances past 30 yards where I was shooting for group sizes.
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Easy to get to caught up in accuracy. Remember a Springer is not a target rifle. Most made these days anyway. As hard as it is to understand, a high quality barrel cocker is likely to be more accurate offhand for most people because of its lighter weight. Off a bench, the under lever may win out.
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A good break barrels accuracy is so close to fixed barrel accuracy that most people won't even notice the difference. We're talking differences in the few 1/100s of an inch at 30yds and even that comes down to tuning and pellets. It cam go either way. My most accurate springer is an underlever Walther LGU but nore than a few break barrels come pretty darn close
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In my limited experience the HW95 is as accurate as the HW97k. It's more difficult to shoot well from a rest. It's a bit squirrelly when you don't get just the right hold.
They both will shoot a ragged 5/8" hole at 25 yards. The 95 is prone to user induced flyers. The 97 is rock solid and steady as a baby's breath.
The 95 is a superb offhand rifle. It just likes to be held and not rested. The 97 is a bit heavy for offhand shooting. The difference is probably just the extra weight. From what I can tell they both are about equal in potential accuracy. One is just better offhand and the other from a rest.
They both will shoot a ragged 5/8" hole at 25 yards. The 95 is prone to user induced flyers. The 97 is rock solid and steady as a baby's breath.
The 95 is a superb offhand rifle. It just likes to be held and not rested. The 97 is a bit heavy for offhand shooting. The difference is probably just the extra weight. From what I can tell they both are about equal in potential accuracy. One is just better offhand and the other from a rest.
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Great information. I have owned both types of rifles however without the years of experience behind the trigger many here have had. I have owned two diana's in .177 a 34 and 48. I shot the 34 better probably because of the power deference a HW95 in .22 I eventually sold and regret and currently I own a HW77 in .177 that is more accurate than I am, however, as most have stated it is much heavier. I do prefer accuracy over power if I can't have both. Which is lighter stock material beech or walnut?
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I'm no woodologist by any means so I cant speak for all walnuts, but the walnut stocks on the Cometa rifles are 0.4lbs lighter than the beech stocks
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Totally depends on the specific piece and its density. Some Walnut nearing and into the Heartwood can be quite dense and heavy. The outer portion near the sap ring can be quite light in weight. Walnut is a more stable and attractive wood than Beech.
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Walnut is lighter than beech. How much depends on the piece of wood you have.
My 95 walnut is a few ounces lighter than the beech. You can't tell by holding them in your hand but the scale says the walnut gun is lighter.
The wood and finish on the walnut is much better. Im not sure it's $100 better but it's better. The difference in weight is about the same as a stack of dollar bills to pay for the walnut.
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I think it is all the gun the pellet and the shooter as to consistent accuracy . Accuracy isn't just hitting a target , it is hitting a target every time , day in and day out so the saying go's .
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If the break barrel is adjusted and locks up 100% the way it should, it will be just as accurate......I have a few break barrel rifles and I'm just not a fan. Personal choice, I just prefer fixed barrel springers.
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Funny when I read Beech is heavier than Walnut.......You really need to consider whether it is new or old growth. Old growth wood has more rings thus is denser and adds weight.
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In my limited experience If you are resting a gun and shooting patterns with telescopic sights on paper the heavier gun will shoot the tiniest groups. A big part of that is because it will generally recoil less.
A lighter gun will (probably) recoil and twist more. So it's going to be harder to shoot off (most) rests. The patterns won't be as good by the numbers. Some 5 shot strings will be great but some won't. It's more about vibration than the type of action.
Standing offhand that all goes out the window. The HW95 will be much more accurate. Sitting on a bucket with your elbows on your knees they will both shoot tiny groups and the 95 shoots right with the 97.
It's all about a weight/recoil balance. I honestly don't think the underlever design is any more accurate. It's just heavier and possibly easier to shoot well off a rest.
A lighter gun will (probably) recoil and twist more. So it's going to be harder to shoot off (most) rests. The patterns won't be as good by the numbers. Some 5 shot strings will be great but some won't. It's more about vibration than the type of action.
Standing offhand that all goes out the window. The HW95 will be much more accurate. Sitting on a bucket with your elbows on your knees they will both shoot tiny groups and the 95 shoots right with the 97.
It's all about a weight/recoil balance. I honestly don't think the underlever design is any more accurate. It's just heavier and possibly easier to shoot well off a rest.
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I have a 97 set up for silhouette shooting but rarely use it for that. For a dedicated silhouette rifle a HW95 or Diana 34 in .22 would probably be a better choice.
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If you intend to shoot mostly off of a bench a fixed barrel is a good choice but if you're a rover and a plinker like I am a break barrel is the way to go. I have a HW77K which is a fine gun but for me it's a bit too heavy to sling over your shoulder... just my hmo of course.
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Agreed. I have a pair of the Sig ASP20 rifles in .22cal. They lock up SOLID each cycle, and give my PCP's a run for their money in accuracy!!
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As others have stated, the fixed barrel rifles are usually heavier than a break barrel rifles. The extra weight helps make the fixed barrel more accurate. The obvious answer is to own both!
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I own AAtx200 , HW97k , Hw77 long , two FWB124's . every rifle can consistently shoot less than 1/2 inch dot @ 30 yards (my home range) with me shooting YMMV .
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