HW35 vs HW50?

[Flintlock]

Having fallen for these air rifles with the use of my HW30 the past few weeks, I'm looking for another rabbit hole to climb into.

I've read all I can find about the two rifles (the 35 and50). That said I'd like to hear how they compare to each other AND the now familiar HW30.

Most interested in their handling and balance, untuned shot cycles and most importantly to me their respective accuracy potentials.

The rifle will be used for squirrel hunting and informal (but serious) target shooting.

Most likely going to be a .177, unless I'm talked into a .22 version of one of the rifles.

Thanks in advance for any and all replies all and have a great weekend!

 

[Mycapt65]

There's an extensive thread here already on the comparison of the two guns. It has either the same or nearly the same title. It's not that old just search at couple pages back or Google Airgunnation Hw50 vs Hw35 and you'll find it.

My preferences is for the Hw50. It's two pounds lighter, makes the same power, no less accurate, easier to use and much easier to work on. Plus I like the more traditional rifle looks of the Hw50.

I use one as my woods squirrel gun. I prefer the 177 for the flatter trajectory. The 177 is around 150 fps faster than the 22. Fwiw I also owned a 22 Hw50. It's the only rifle I've ever sold. I found it didn't anchor a squirrel much better than the 177 for the same shot. Worse for me was it was harder to make that shot because range and hold over estimation was much harder.
The guy I sold it to loves it for squirrels. He's obviously has better skills than I.

There's a lot of 35 fans here so many will steer you that direction. Remember, this if anything, the 35 is a whole two pounds heavier for the same accuracy and power.

Good luck
Ron

 

[Mycapt65]

HW35 or HW50

Hi Moog, Thanks for the advice. I sent the gun back to AoA last month due to poor velocity and they said it had a cracked seal. They replaced it and returned it. They said they were getting 580 fps with 5.53 FTT's I can't get above 508 fps here at 2900ft elevation. I will call them in the...

www.airgunnation.com

This will get you to the other thread.

 

[maxtrouble]

The HW50 is a nice shooter. I have one in .22 and it is a great can basher.

 

[Sqwirl57]

I have both the .177 and .22 HW50S. Both guns are absolutely tack drivers but for 95% of the people who want one, the .177 is the way to go. Its a bit less hold sensative and will still take squirrels and rabbits just fine. The only reason I wanted it in .22 was because I think its fun seeing an 11fpe 18gr pellet flying through my scope.

I also have a .22 HW35E and that gun is phenomenal too BUT is very hold sensative. Its a great gun though and a blast to shoot. The longer barrel makes it much easier to cock than the 50S (the 50S isn't bad by any means) and I really like the latching system on it.

If I could only keep one, it would be the .177 HW50S no question about it. That gun is nearly as accurate as my 97K, weighs 2.5lbs less (?), and just shoulders beautifully. I could walk around the woods with that gun all day without a single struggle.

Lets be honest here though... it seems you definitely got bit by the bug here. Buy the 50S now and the 35E later. Great shooting gun aside, the 35E is a work of art in my eyes. Everyone should have one at some point.

 

[beerthief]

hmmm just looked at Krale and the 35 is $100 more than the 50

 

[Bear-of-Grayling]

If comparing the Beech stock 35 to the 50 which is only available with a Beech stock, the difference is $58. Also the 35 is 700 grams heavier than the 50 which equates to 1.54 lbs. Not a whole 2 lbs. as mentioned. Let’s be an accurate source for information.

 

[EMrider]

There's an extensive thread here already on the comparison of the two guns. It has either the same or nearly the same title. It's not that old just search at couple pages back or Google Airgunnation Hw50 vs Hw35 and you'll find it.

My preferences is for the Hw50. It's two pounds lighter, makes the same power, no less accurate, easier to use and much easier to work on. Plus I like the more traditional rifle looks of the Hw50.

I use one as my woods squirrel gun. I prefer the 177 for the flatter trajectory. The 177 is around 150 fps faster than the 22. Fwiw I also owned a 22 Hw50. It's the only rifle I've ever sold. I found it didn't anchor a squirrel much better than the 177 for the same shot. Worse for me was it was harder to make that shot because range and hold over estimation was much harder.
The guy I sold it to loves it for squirrels. He's obviously has better skills than I.

There's a lot of 35 fans here so many will steer you that direction. Remember, this if anything, the 35 is a whole two pounds heavier for the same accuracy and power.

Good luck
Ron

. I tried almost every Weihrauch model before I bought an hw50s (.177). I now have two, and the 50 is my favorite for target shooting and small game hunting.
R

 

[Bear-of-Grayling]

Short list of trade offs. Splitting hairs

HW50:
1. cost (cheaper)
2. weight (lighter)
3. power (a bit more in 177, shorter barrel)
4. smaller (easier to carry)
5. tear down ( some claim it’s easier, not me)
6. less hold sensitive (shorter barrel)

HW35
1. better build quality
2. easier cocking effort (longer barrel)
3. accuracy Increase (locking barrel)
4. locking barrel for sling
5. available in a Walnut sock
6. smoother shot cycle (heavier)

Probably forgot something but these are what comes to mind. Both wonderful choices. Closest to your 30 is the 50.

 

[MDriskill]

Not taking sides as I've never owned the current HW 50, but an interesting advantage of the HW 35 is that the manual barrel latch allows you to both open, and close, the breech silently. This can be a big deal when hunting.

Here is the other thread that was mentioned above. Six pages (!) of interesting discussion, history, and photos.

HW35 or HW50

I love all my Weihrauch’s. Have or had almost every model they have produced over the past 40 years. My favorite if I had to pick would be the HW55. The 50 is basically the 55 without the build quality and locking lever. The 50 is also, arguably, one if not the most popular model (barrel cocker)...

www.airgunnation.com

 

[Steveoo]

HW35 all day long…
The extra weight of the 35 should not be an issue for an average to strong male, but if less so, or toy armed, the 50 would need to be your choice.
The barrel latch lock, blowing everything else out the water for its ability to be opened and closed in complete silence. There is no argument except for the even better lock of the HW55 which has a nicer operation.
The more massive receiver unit for the trigger, so much more reliable and easy to work on with the massive threads….equal best ever on a springer with the HW80.
Finally the minimal stock slot afforded by having a very short linkage due to the barrel lock mechanism, keeping the stock more solid than any other break barrel springer.

As regard hold sensitivity, i have found it far less hold sensitive than the 50, or 95 owing to its weight but it requires setting up correctly to get there, otherwise it can slightly lose out here.

 

[Flintlock]

Really, really appreciate all these thoughtful replies!!! Your all very kind to share your observations and expediting my education!

I will consider and reconsider all comments before adding a second Weihrauch to my stable.

Many thanks....

 

[Mycapt65]

If comparing the Beech stock 35 to the 50 which is only available with a Beech stock, the difference is $58. Also the 35 is 700 grams heavier than the 50 which equates to 1.54 lbs. Not a whole 2 lbs. as mentioned. Let’s be an accurate source for information.

That's advertised weight. I had both guns in 177 on an actual scale with the same scope and rings with no open sights and the Hw35 was over 9.5 lbs and my Hw50 weighs exactly 7.53 lbs.. As I unfortunately didn't make note of how much over 9.5 lbs the 35 was, it was still over 9.5 lbs. That's two whole pounds in my book. It's foolish to accept advertised weights and velocities. Btw both gun wore standard beech stocks.

There's no way a 35 is inherently any more accurate than a 50. I'll take my 50 against anyone's 35.

The manual barrel lock lever operates on the same principle as the spring loaded wedge. It's a opposing angles under spring tension.

The only advantages of the 35 is the silent operation of the locking mechanism and the easier cocking.

Every one has their favorites but let's get out of internet land and keep this real.

 

[Bear-of-Grayling]

Not taking sides as I've never owned the current HW 50, but an interesting advantage of the HW 35 is that the manual barrel latch allows you to both open, and close, the breech silently. This can be a big deal when hunting.

Here is the other thread that was mentioned above. Six pages (!) of interesting discussion, history, and photos.

HW35 or HW50

I love all my Weihrauch’s. Have or had almost every model they have produced over the past 40 years. My favorite if I had to pick would be the HW55. The 50 is basically the 55 without the build quality and locking lever. The 50 is also, arguably, one if not the most popular model (barrel cocker)...

www.airgunnation.com

Open and close silently. Absolutely right. But in addition to this and the reason it is more accurate is, it can be opened and closed without ANY wear if done this way. Some say no accuracy difference between these models. Maybe so when new or earlier on. Been several posts lately about the wedge and bar wear from the 50 type locking system. Same accuracy? At what stage I would respond?

 

[Mycapt65]

Again let's get out of wishful thinking internet land and back to reality. Find a Hw35 that shoots better than my 50. There's no real wear issues on the 50 lock up. There's people with wear issues on 35 too. Proper maintenance negates this argument.

You know you can load the 50 and cock it before you start your hunt. It doesn't blow up if it's left cocked for a few hours. Silence issues handled.

Just get the damned 35 because you like it. Don't list a bunch of stupid internet hearsay to justify it. This whole line of logic is stupid. Enjoy your 35.

 

[Bear-of-Grayling]

Again let's get out of wishful thinking internet land and back to reality. Find a Hw35 that shoots better than my 50. There's no real wear issues on the 50 lock up. There's people with wear issues on 35 too. Proper maintenance negates this argument.

You know you can load the 50 and cock it before you start your hunt. It doesn't blow up if it's left cocked for a few hours. Silence issues handled.

Just get the damned 35 because you like it. Don't list a bunch of stupid internet hearsay to justify it. This whole line of logic is stupid. Enjoy your 35.

Sorry. I did not mean to upset anyone. Just using manufacturers specifications along with personal experiences and others as well. Both great choices as stated earlier.

 

[Mycapt65]

Sorry. I did not mean to upset anyone. Just using manufacturers specifications along with personal experiences and others as well. Both great choices as stated earlier.

Look you're a good guy and I respect you as a person and usually your opinions. I'm a brass tacks guy. I don't let favorites come to play. When I give reasons, they're backed up by experience and a pretty solid mechanical background. I don't peruse the internet for information and parrot information that others do. I'm not saying you do. I'm saying there's so much out there that is baloney parrotted by keyboard experts it's hard not to fall into that trap. I'm relatively new to this stuff but I won't open my mouth unless I can prove what I say. I'm just tired of hearing the same garbage repeated by people who read and type. I don't type until I actually do something. I keep my mouth shut until I have the enough experience to comment.

One of the wisest things I've heard was, "well people like what they have". It's human nature to do so and there's nothing wrong with liking what you have. I wish we did, all of the time.

I'm more pragmatic than most and I can and will back up everything I say from actual experience. I keep my mouth shut otherwise.

Be well

 

[Bear-of-Grayling]

The 95 is arguably the “sweet spot” of the Weihrauch barrel cocking magnums. So much so they make three different models of this favorite. The 95, 98 and 85.
The 50 is IMHO the ”sweet spot” of the sporters. I wish they would take the locking lever and Walnut stock from the HW35E and make a HW50E. Best of both worlds.

 

[Mycapt65]

The 95 is arguably the “sweet spot” of the Weihrauch barrel cocking magnums. So much so they make three different models of this favorite. The 95, 98 and 85.
The 50 is IMHO the ”sweet spot” of the sporters. I wish they would take the locking lever and Walnut stock from the HW35E and make a HW50E. Best of both worlds.

I agree the 95 is an excellent balance of power and cocking effort. Not to beat a dead horse, but the 35 and 50 have very similar cocking linkages. The difference in cocking effort is the leverage of the longer 35 barrel. The 35 definitely cocks easier.

Two extra pounds of weight is significant to carry around the woods. IMO the 35 is better suited as a bench gun that you might shoot for prolonged sessions where the easier cocking is important. That's just me.

As a hunter and surfcaster I always do better dragging less weight around. The definition of work is weight over a distance. I fish and hunt further and longer with lighter equipment. That usually nets me better results.

I've said this before, there's no right or wrong here. Both guns are great. I'm only giving actual statistics and my actual personal experience with both. Shoot whatever you want they're both good guns. Just don't tell me one is more accurate than the other and I'm wrong about the weight difference.

 

[jusanothajoe]

I have owned both guns, heard about the 35 for a while before I bought one.
It's 95 weight with less power.
I will admit I think I got a lemon so I may be prejudice, but I now own 3 50's and all three are more accurate than my 35 was.
50's are less weight and in my book thats a good thing, my HW50 .22 is my most accurate, least hold sensitive springer ever, and I have owned a few.
That 50 just happens to be tuned by Mycapt65.
I might try another 35 one day, but I don't know why, 50's do more in a smaller, lighter package.
I am in the minority, I do like the new 35 stock. was never a fan of the old one.