HW50S (Journey) - Krale! Dang You!
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There's no longer a galling problem on the newer 50s. I'm gonna guess that the 50s have had the plastic guide fix the problem for at least the last six years. Possibly longer. I don't know when exactly they introduced the plastic glide. It's a non issue for anyone buying a new gun.
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Oh hey,I forgot to mention where to buy pellets. I get mine from Pyramid Air. They really package them very well and that means alot in this hobby/sport. I have never gotten a damaged tin from them.
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I agree that the Delrin plastic does eliminate the gulling. I started installing this material (made from cutting boards) decades before Weihrauch did. It does not however fix the problem. If or when the spring takes a set (when removed it’s bent) it puts pressure on the piston wall and the piston wants to turn. It pushes the lever into the side of the receiver groove. Metal starts being removed. When enough metal is removed the joint in the lever binds. This binding does not allow the lever to function correctly. The Delrin will press up firmly against the receiver. This saves the gulling. The smooth cocking is however lessened. I would not want the lever to continue to shave metal on the groove or have the cocking cycle compromised. A tune kit with a sleeve helps keep the spring straight and off the piston wall. This has been my experience with this issue. For what it’s worth.
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I have a HW30 on order. Do you know if the 30 has the same double jointed cocking lever issue as the 50?
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Well you have decades more experience than I do so I will certainly concede to that. I'm not sure I understand all the dynamics you explained but most of my experience is with new or tune kitted guns so maybe that's why?
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Well I have an air Venturi .177 worm, some field target 4.52’s (two tins), and some 7/8ths patches coming. Still no answer from Krale.
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Ron I totally agree that the issue has diminished with the addition of the longer better fitting spring guide and less noticeable with the Delrin insert. The beauty of using a sleeve is the sleeve enters the piston a ways when the gun is at rest. This holds the spring from rubbing the piston wall for the majority of the the piston. The spring would have to have a very sharp bend in the last bit of room remaining to get to the piston wall. But as you said the problem is less than it once was. At least on the 35 and 50. The 30 is still vulnerable to gulling and mine get a kit on day one.
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I did. My first attempted correspondence with them was on 22NOV asking if they knew a lead time on .22 HW50S’s. No response. Placed my order Friday. Everyone knows what happened then.
I emailed pay.nl Sat morning with questions as directed from the email and they had responded to me by this morning when I woke up. So I know someone is awake in the Netherlands.
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I have had only one questionable experience with Krale. I ordered an “ in stock” gun. A week later it still had not shipped. Their sight then showed “out of stock”. I figured they miscounted and mine went to back order. They did refund me but it took a couple weeks to get acknowledgment on my credit card.
If the gun you ordered is still in stock then I would not be concerned unless they avoid your emails. They are usually very prompt at getting back to customers. This is probably a very very busy time for them. Merry Christmas.
If the gun you ordered is still in stock then I would not be concerned unless they avoid your emails. They are usually very prompt at getting back to customers. This is probably a very very busy time for them. Merry Christmas.
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"gulling" - An instance of duping or fooling somebody
"galling" - a form of wear caused by adhesion between sliding surfaces.
The galling has nothing to do with the spring having a sleeve on it. I stuck a Vortek kit in my 50S years ago and it still galled. The pressure on the cocking stroke is all on the forward end of the arm, the end in the piston is basically unsupported.
Think about it, if there was downward pressure on the cocking foot, it would grate and rub and bind and you'd feel every coil of the spring on the cocking stroke. The cocking foot fits the slot pretty well, and doesn't have enough room to move around enough to matter. Assemble the gun without the piston and move through the cocking stroke. There ain't a lot of wiggle room.
Consider why the 50S seems to bind and gall more often than the others like the 30, 55, and 35....
The 50S is the only one in the group with the 26mm diameter piston, it has the longest stroke, and the most cocking effort. It's a geometry issue between the size of the compression tube, the arm, and the pivot point where the arm contacts the breech block.
Sometime around 2012-2013 is when the big changes with Weihrauch went down. The nut style breech face, bolt on detent bracket on the other models, and the plastic insert on the 30S/50S/35.
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I suppose the best way to deal with "galling" is to make sure it stay well lubed? Probably with a thick grease...
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The best way to reduce the galling on the Hw30 is to remove the barrel with cocking arm. This requires nearly complete disassembling. The backside of the stamped cocking arm parts are often sharp and cut through any grease you put on it and will still gall. Tight cocking arm joints aggravate the condition.
The way to fix this particular rifles is to exercise the cocking arm joint and smooth the backside edges of the cocking arm. If there already galling on the underside of the compression tube nows the time to smooth down the high spots level. Grease the cocking arm track with good moly grease and reassemble.
I own 3 Hw30s and tuned at least a half dozen others and the only one that didn't need this done was a gun that Paul Watts had taken care of already.
Most Hw30s reach a point wear the metal parts mate together and smooth out AFTER some galling. I've never seen any parts completely worn out so if you want to ignore the gritty cocking and occasionally smother it with moly grease you can probably do so and it will likely smooth out with use.
Keep in mind I have seen where the ensuing metal slurry make it onto the piston and into the compression tube. That wore grooves in the bottom of the compression tube which comprises the guns sealing ability. It's better addressed than ignored.
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I've been nonstandard and low-class all my life. I don't think I'd ever be able to convince anyone that I'm anything else to tell the truth. It orta be obvious as nuts on an old bulldog by now
And that's no gulling...
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