HW/Weihrauch HW95 vs HW85 vs HW80

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rokonman said:
Having owned several of each over the years I honestly dont think the 95 is a match for the 80. On its own the 95 is a very high quality piece but side by side the heavier build of the 80 just makes for a nicer shot cycle in out of the box condition. 80K carbine models were scarce in the US over the years but since the introduction of the latest stock style the carbines are readily available, Making for a compact powerhouse. I dont think you will notice much difference in cocking effort between the 95 and 80. There is no difference in cocking effort between .177 and .22 making .22 the Best choice for the 80 as its piston volume is wasted in .177. Attached is my vintage 80K in .25

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Beautiful gun you have there, but I’ve had a different experience with the R1/hw80. The larger 30mm compression tube, and the physics of increased mass, makes for a harsher shot cycle at any power level versus the 26mm platforms (hw95, hw85, hw97……). Yes, the power is there, but I found it more difficult to achieve the same accuracy as with my other HW guns. The 80 is the only Weihrauch spring gun that I decided to sell.
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The 80 only makes marginally more power. IMO after working on more than a few of each types the extra 2 fpe isn't worth the extra weight. Which is quite noticeable.
Sure the 80 with a tune can increase the power gap to 3 fpe but the shot cycle gets nasty. I have a R1 (Hw80) almost out of obligation to it's historical significance. I have four HW95 family guns in 177, 20 & 22. Each one gets shot twice as much as my R1 that's worn 177, 20 & currently a 22 barrel.

I will say the 80 is a more solid build. But the areas it's more solid like the thicker tube and threaded end doesn't really improve the performance over the thinner tube and cheaper and lighter cast trigger plug on the 95/50 guns, that function just fine. The barrels are the same between the two types and completely interchangeable. Sights are the same if you're even gonna use them. Stock styling is subjective.

Everyone has their favorites there's really no right or wrong it's more a Vanilla vs Chocolate discussion. I'm just posting my thoughts on the two types. If you want every ounce of power for hunting go with the 80. If you want an easier and nicer gun to shoot in your backyard go with a 95 family rifle.
 
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EMrider said:
Beautiful gun you have there, but I’ve had a different experience with the R1/hw80. The larger 30mm compression tube, and the physics of increased mass, makes for a harsher shot cycle at any power level versus the 26mm platforms (hw95, hw85, hw97……). Yes, the power is there, but I found it more difficult to achieve the same accuracy as with my other HW guns. The 80 is the only Weihrauch spring gun that I decided to sell.
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Mycapt65 said:
The 80 only makes marginally more power. IMO after working on more than a few of each types the extra 2 fpe isn't worth the extra weight. Which is quite noticeable.
Sure the 80 with a tune can increase the power gap to 3 fpe but the shot cycle gets nasty. I have a R1 (Hw80) almost out of obligation to it's historical significance. I have four HW95 family guns in 177, 20 & 22. Each one gets shot twice as much as my R1 that's worn 177, 20 & currently a 22 barrel.

I will say the 80 is a more solid build. But the areas it's more solid like the thicker tube and threaded end doesn't really improve the performance over the thinner tube and cheaper and lighter cast trigger plug on the 95/50 guns, that function just fine. The barrels are the same between the two types and completely interchangeable. Sights are the same if you're even gonna use them. Stock styling is subjective.

Everyone has their favorites there's really no right or wrong it's more a Vanilla vs Chocolate discussion. I'm just posting my thoughts on the two types. If you want every ounce of power for hunting go with the 80. If you want an easier and nicer gun to shoot in your backyard go with a 95 family rifle.
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Exactly right. Seems most newbies to springers go for the power. I did. 1984. Had at least a half dozen HW80/R1 since. They are the worst/most difficult springer to shoot accurately. When the R9/HW95 first came out, I got the 5mm version. WOW! The R1’s hit the road.
 
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maxtrouble said:
I have to admit that I am not a magnum springer fan. I tried my friend's R1 .177 and it is a handful. Cocking effort and shot cycle are a little higher than I prefer.

The HW95, HW85, HW77, HW97, HW98 all share the same power plant. With the right tuning it has a very easy cocking effort and the shot cycle is a smooth thunk.

I recommend the HW95 as the best starter rifle. Will tell you all you need to know about the Weihrauch brand.
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Already have two, an HW50S and R9 both in .177, just want a .22 that groups well.
 
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Diddy Outddors said:
Already have two, an HW50S and R9 both in .177, just want a .22 that groups well.
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If you're shooting groups from a bench a Hw97 would be the one to get. It's a very well made tank of a gun with the smaller 26mm guts. The fixed barrel, lighter guts and heavier build makes it about the easiest Weihrauch to group well with. It's an underlever so it's a little trickier to load but if you don't mind that and the weight it's the one to get if absolute accuracy is your goal. FWIW it weighs about the same as the Hw80.

If you prefer a break barrel as I do you'll find a 22 cal Hw95 groups well. Plus the shot cycle should be a little nicer than your 177 R9.
 
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84+ and I have no problem cocking my HW95L .22 with one hand. This rifle is accurate and averages 17 FPE after 7K to 8K shots with an ARH kit & Vortek seal. I purchased from AoA but have heard good reviews on Krale. This data on my HW95L may help with your choice or may be overkill.

Rifle & scope weigh:
6.8 lbs,108.8 oz = rifle. Spring Piston: Airguns of Arizona
4.3, 8.6(2 rings) oz = Hawke Tactical 30 mm 2 piece medium rings
https://us.hawkeoptics.com/tactical-ring-mounts-30mm-2-piece-9-11mm-medium.html
21.9 oz = Hawke 4-16 x 44 mm SF, IR, compact scope Hawke | Airmax 30 SF Compact 4-16x44 AMX IR (hawkeoptics.com)
Total HW95L rifle = 139.3 oz which is 8 lbs 11.2 oz
LOP = 14.25”, 362 mm, trigger to center butt. WIN M70 30-06 = 13.875", 349.25 mm, CVA Accura V2 50 BP = 14.5", 368.3 mm. Note - LOP = length of pull measured from trigger to center butt.

The Hawke tactical medium rings put the center line of the scope 1.5” above the HW95L .22 caliber rifle bore. Rifle twist rate is 1:16”. Hawke objective lens is 8.25” to safety end of receiver. Scope Ocular lens is 3.875”, (98.4 mm), behind receiver.
Rifle was received on 8/11/2020 from AoA.
Moderator weighs 4.32 oz, 122.6 g, 1892 gr. Moderator is 6” long and female threads start 1.7” in from beveled end of Moderator. The thread is 3/4" long & 1/2" diameter with 20 threads per inch.
Barrel length = 15.75”, 400 mm, from end of moderator to breech block end. HW95 barrel is 16 mm diameter. Barrel without moderator = 12.188”, (12-3/16”, 309.575 mm), from thread end to breech block end. HW95L total rifle length = 41.875”, 1063.625 mm, from end of moderator to butt center. Rifle is 29”, 736.6 mm, from end of moderator to end of compression tube, receiver action.

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Diddy Outddors said:
Already have two, an HW50S and R9 both in .177, just want a .22 that groups well.
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I'd chance any one you brought up should as Deerstalker shows ... .. just the fps hit in .22 makes it a bit loopy as you go out vs hw in .177. if you don't mind that then accurate should not be a issue..
 
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Mycapt65 said:
If you're shooting groups from a bench a Hw97 would be the one to get. It's a very well made tank of a gun with the smaller 26mm guts. The fixed barrel, lighter guts and heavier build makes it about the easiest Weihrauch to group well with. It's an underlever so it's a little trickier to load but if you don't mind that and the weight it's the one to get if absolute accuracy is your goal. FWIW it weighs about the same as the Hw80.

If you prefer a break barrel as I do you'll find a 22 cal Hw95 groups well. Plus the shot cycle should be a little nicer than your 177 R9.
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Yep, my hw97k is my over-achiever when it comes to accuracy. If you already have an hw50s and R9 in .177, the hw97k in .22 would be a great compliment to those two. That said, I grab my R7s my hw50s (both .177) far more often than I grab my heavier hw97k. The R7 excels at plinking and the hw50s is the ideal hunter IMHO.
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Deerstalker said:
5 at 25 with my HW95L .22
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Hateful McNasty said:
I'd chance any one you brought up should as firewaller shows ... .. just the fps hit in .22 makes it a bit loopy as you go out vs hw in .177. if you don't mind that then accurate should not be a issue..
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Sorry deerstalker for putting you down as firewalker for that post credit.. my bad and fixed.🤤
 
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I have 2 85’s, .177 and .22, as well the 95 and 98. You can’t go wrong with any of them. My 85’s are just breaking in and are a pleasure to shoot. Jacking is easier and it’s a great candidate for a diopter sight. I prefer all over the 80, but nothing wrong with the 80, heavier and little more muscle needed. Good luck, Crow
I wouldn’t want to walk around with the 85, where the others are easier to carry.
 
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Diddy Outddors said:
Already looking for another gun, I love my R9 in .177 caliber, I wanted a .22 so I got a Hatsan and dislike it because I can't seem to get good groups.
So, Is the HW85 the same as the 95 or does it have less power.
The HW80 has more power but will it be less accurate than the 95 due to more recoil. Also for those who have shot both HW80 and Hatsan MOD 65, how do that compare in recoil?
Also noticed the FPS is different from site to site.
Krale has the more HW's than other sites, are they a reputable company to buy from.
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Hey Diddy,
I would recommend a .20 caliber HW95, HW80 or HW90. The (JSB or H&N .20) caliber pellet will yield better accuracy vs. a HW .22 cal.
If you mostly want to walk around with the gun ... get a HW95. If mostly bench & 19+ FPE get the HW90, 17/19 FPE get the HW80.

The recoil on a HW80/90 is a little less vs. the Hatsan 65 - the difference being you hit the target absolutely every time!

I have often referred to the JSB 13.72 pellet as the "God Pellet" - it's accuracy belongs to a world of its own.

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