I got scammed by GraphicMan Innovations on his "Pocket Press"

[GraphicMan]

This seems spot on to me. I agree with all the points and is basically what Gerry said as well. Scammer isn’t a fair term. Value and “quality “ are somewhat of a subjective term and mean different things to different people. The OP got a product he deemed of low quality and not worth the asking price. That just brings the subjective aspect into play and is the basis of the problem. To call him a scammer isn’t really fair. The seller obviously feels his product and time are worth the value. Clearly the buyer didn’t. It happens and these factors should have been focused on in the review rather than calling the seller an outright scammer.

Thanks for your input, now will the moderator of this forum do anything about it?
the guy did make another thread here also and disabled the comments on it

My thought on GraphicMan Innovations "Pocket Press"

DO NOT DO BUSINESS WITH GRAPHICMAN INNOVATIONS. This press release from GrapicMan arrived recently. His most recent creation known as "The Pocket Press." When I opened the packet and saw what was inside, I was really let down. It appears to be a toy. He himself stated as much. "It appears...

www.airgunnation.com

i have a deal with the buyer not to expose the product anywhere and he accepted that and we have been nice to each other to the last minute while he was making these threads here, but just coz some1 from here left a comment on my page about it i would not have known, is there any1 here is going to point that out?

 

[daddypaddy]

Thanks for your input, now will the moderator of this forum do anything about it?
the guy did make another thread here also and disabled the comments on it

My thought on GraphicMan Innovations "Pocket Press"

DO NOT DO BUSINESS WITH GRAPHICMAN INNOVATIONS. This press release from GrapicMan arrived recently. His most recent creation known as "The Pocket Press." When I opened the packet and saw what was inside, I was really let down. It appears to be a toy. He himself stated as much. "It appears...

www.airgunnation.com

i have a deal with the buyer not to expose the product anywhere and he accepted that and we have been nice to each other to the last minute while he was making these threads here, but just coz some1 from here left a comment on my page about it i would not have known, is there any1 here is going to point that out?

how about a return of product. buyer pays shipping, provides tracking number and seller refunds 90% of product cost. if seller fails to send refund. buyer has every right to call “scam”.

if it was my product, as the seller, i wouldnt sell for so high a price.. especially if i myself didnt shoot airguns or was actively participating in airgunning discussions within the airgunning digital community.

you shoud get an airgun and stick around in the community. we need people who are willing to take on challenges like what you have done.

 

[GraphicMan]

how about a return of product. buyer pays shipping, provides tracking number and seller refunds 90% of product cost. if seller fails to send refund. buyer has every right to call “scam”.

if it was my product, as the seller, i wouldnt sell for so high a price.. especially if i myself didnt shoot airguns or was actively participating in airgunning discussions within the airgunning digital community.

you shoud get an airgun and stick around in the community. we need people who are willing to take on challenges like what you have done.

I will assume i have not read ur comment
if i was offered 3 times what i have been paid for just exposing the press i would have refused without thinking, trust me not ever1 is the same and going after money, i choose my customers carefully and i dont do business with just any random person who come ask me to do parts, if i did not like his attitude i dont make parts for him no matter how much he is willing to pay.

as i have said before i am a machinist , this is my passion, to make precision parts, working with so many different materials, making tools, machines and innovative products and out of the box solutions

you also need to understand that not every country is the same, there are different regulations about airguns for every country, so what is ok in your country might be prohibited in many others

 

[daddypaddy]

I will assume i have not read ur comment
if i was offered 3 times what i have been paid for just exposing the press i would have refused without thinking, trust me not ever1 is the same and going after money, i choose my customers carefully and i dont do business with just any random person who come ask me to do parts, if i did not like his attitude i dont make parts for him no matter how much he is willing to pay.

as i have said before i am a machinist , this is my passion, to make precision parts, working with so many different materials, making tools, machines and innovative products and out of the box solutions

you also need to understand that not every country is the same, there are different regulations about airguns for every country, so what is ok in your country might be prohibited in many others

i assume, you assume that your assumptions in a verbal agreement can be held accountable in a court of law. it does not. if not everyone is after money(implying yourself) accept a return and refund percentage with the buyer paying shipping. problem solved.

you’re a machinist. we get it. anyone who wants to copy your product will simply buy it and reverse engineer it. that’s a fact.

google me a country that has a ban on airguns. i’m too lazy to do it myself.

i tried to be nice and welcoming you to this community but you seem too defensive about a product that a customer is not happy about. it’s a consumers world. unhappy customers will share their experiences and future customers will pay attention to the negative reviews.

 

[daddypaddy]

lol man i feel bad for the dude.. i can feel his frustration whenever he wiggled the lever with the wooden kegel on it. i can only reflect on how i felt back when i bought that hatsan with a plastic trigger housing. sucks bro.

 

[GraphicMan]

i assume, you assume that your assumptions in a verbal agreement can be held accountable in a court of law. it does not. if not everyone is after money(implying yourself) accept a return and refund percentage with the buyer paying shipping. problem solved.

you’re a machinist. we get it. anyone who wants to copy your product will simply buy it and reverse engineer it. that’s a fact.

google me a country that has a ban on airguns. i’m too lazy to do it myself.

i tried to be nice and welcoming you to this community but you seem too defensive about a product that a customer is not happy about. it’s a consumers world. unhappy customers will share their experiences and future customers will pay attention to the negative reviews.

anyone who wants to copy your product will simply buy it and reverse engineer it. that’s a fact.

yes that is correct, and i already know that and i know at a point it will be everywhere, but at least it should not happen that soon, by that time i would have made some gains from it to the limit that it will be cheaper on my behave, i will be in the lead because i will be making many at a time not prototypes and also not a production line
dont try to underestimate the act of some1 breaking his word, because if u want to make it like that, then a seller can simply promise stuff and dont fulfill , at that time i dont think u will stand with him, a buyer and a seller are both humans and if an agreement is made written, verbally or legally it should be respected right?
Andy has the right to share his experience with the product, i will never tell him anything about that, because I do believe in what you have said, i am a customer also to others, but he dont have the right to expose it
period.
I appreciate your welcome but sorry your suggestion is really not well thought off , what am i going to gain if the buyer returned the product? a 10% for exposing the product and die sets that will sit in my scrap box? no thanks, every one is asking for different design and size, on top of that the die sets will work only on the pocket press, i mainly make custom orders my friend, not an off shelve products
no thank you, i reject that offer
sorry if i offended you or looked aggressive, but the whole thing is bothering me, no hard feelings on you though
my country have restrictions on using air guns, it also depend on the caliber, but like i said i am not interested in shooting, i was not sure though what did u mean by "we need people who are willing to take on challenges like what you have done." i will appreciate if u can explain more

 

[Justaguy]

yes that is correct, and i already know that and i know at a point it will be everywhere, but at least it should not happen that soon, by that time i would have made some gains from it to the limit that it will be cheaper on my behave, i will be in the lead because i will be making many at a time not prototypes and also not a production line
dont try to underestimate the act of some1 breaking his word, because if u want to make it like that, then a seller can simply promise stuff and dont fulfill , at that time i dont think u will stand with him, a buyer and a seller are both humans and if an agreement is made written, verbally or legally it should be respected right?
Andy has the right to share his experience with the product, i will never tell him anything about that, because I do believe in what you have said, i am a customer also to others, but he dont have the right to expose it
period.
I appreciate your welcome but sorry your suggestion is really not well thought off , what am i going to gain if the buyer returned the product? a 10% for exposing the product and die sets that will sit in my scrap box? no thanks, every one is asking for different design and size, on top of that the die sets will work only on the pocket press, i mainly make custom orders my friend, not an off shelve products
no thank you, i reject that offer
sorry if i offended you or looked aggressive, but the whole thing is bothering me, no hard feelings on you though
my country have restrictions on using air guns, it also depend on the caliber, but like i said i am not interested in shooting, i was not sure though what did u mean by "we need people who are willing to take on challenges like what you have done." i will appreciate if u can explain more

While I don't think the guy was 'scammed'... I certainly wouldn't buy anything from you. Your product looks 'janky' at best. For the price... there are plenty of REPUTABLE companies to choose from, besides that... you seem sneaky as hell. I am glad the OP made a post about your 'business'. It will save a lot of people a lot of frustration.

 

[GraphicMan]

While I don't think the guy was 'scammed'... I certainly wouldn't buy anything from you. Your product looks 'janky' at best. For the price... there are plenty of REPUTABLE companies to choose from, besides that... you seem sneaky as hell. I am glad the OP made a post about your 'business'. It will save a lot of people a lot of frustration.

i am also glad, this will also save me from a lot of ppl like you, so it is good for both sides

 

[Ta-Ta Toothie]

Whatever you do, don't let a cat get near that thing. It will try to cover it up...

 

[dens228]

I'll say it,
You didn't get scammed, you got what you paid for based on your research and blind faith into this particular product.

 

[Kola]

I foolishly accepted his comments without understanding how his press appeared.

The entire problem summarised…

 

[WoodWelder]

I come from a long line of engineers and tradesman. My nephew is designing a machine right now that will be in full production mid October. There is no peeking and a waver has to be signed that you can never share it on social media. This unit will bring the modern slug market machines to its knees.

Pre order yours today! You'll say WOW everytime you make a slug.

 

[Kola]

I come from a long line of engineers and tradesman. My nephew is designing a machine right now that will be in full production mid October. There is no peeking and a waver has to be signed that you can never share it on social media. This unit will bring the modern slug market machines to its knees.

Pre order yours today! You'll say WOW everytime you make a slug.

Because it will be a miracle for such a flimsy device to actually make anything?

 

[Gerry52]

In my simple, humble mind the absolute bottom line to this thread is that there were agreements made between 2 men regarding this transaction. Quality of product, how it appears & functions is irrelevant to the agreements about disclosure made between 2 "honorable" men, of which one did not act honorably. I don't see the value in a $500 bipod. If I bought one yet still didn't like it I wouldn't label the manufacturer as a scammer or try to subvert & twist the facts to get public opinion on my side. No one but the seller in this deal knows how long it took to create, design, plan & manufacture his device or what it's worth to HIM whether you agree with it or not. It's irrelevant to the "honorable" agreements made. SOMEONE didn't stick to the AGREEMENT & that someone wasn't GraphicsMan.

 

[Stubbers]

I applaud OP for shedding light onto the product that the producer requested not be.

The only logical reason explaining why the producer of the product wants to suppress the design from the publics eye is because its tangible form or quality doesn't match up with its concept, not because he doesn't want it copied. You either patent your design prior to such releases if its THAT good, or you get it out in the world for the benefit of all...neither of which are the courses of action the producer is or has taken.

-Matt

 

[GraphicMan]

In my simple, humble mind the absolute bottom line to this thread is that there were agreements made between 2 men regarding this transaction. Quality of product, how it appears & functions is irrelevant to the agreements about disclosure made between 2 "honorable" men, of which one did not act honorably. I don't see the value in a $500 bipod. If I bought one yet still didn't like it I wouldn't label the manufacturer as a scammer or try to subvert & twist the facts to get public opinion on my side. No one but the seller in this deal knows how long it took to create, design, plan & manufacture his device or what it's worth to HIM whether you agree with it or not. It's irrelevant to the "honorable" agreements made. SOMEONE didn't stick to the AGREEMENT & that someone wasn't GraphicsMan.

you summarized it to perfection, i cant quote some of your reply and leave some because every word you said is important to note
I cant believe the fact that the buyer DID mention here in the thread body that he was shocked how small and light the package was before opening it! as if he did not know how much weight it is! (117 pages of chat!) who are you trying to fool? the whole idea from the product is to make it as small and light as possible but still strong enough to work and that is mentioned with big font on the video , the world lightest press !!, and i did tell him that many times because i was in the process of making it before he was interested in it, i was not making it for him, i repeat i was not making it for him
how about this part from our 117 pages conversation, i am not hiding the press weight , i am proud of its light weight, you asked for it, it was a prototype for me to use, the price of a prototype is not the same when you make production!!
I am still and will always be proud of my product, to be able to make a press work at 16 times lighter and smaller than the presslug that is something, the price i know will go down by production, totally agree it is too high as it is but that is irrelevant when he accept it, there was no pushing from my side whatsoever, the guy is hesitant and kept changing his order while i was making it, what is he punishing me for?! he did not even ask for a refund (look at the video calls, is that some1 angry and feeling sorry for a purchase?!!), he just made the thread straight away without any thinking just like he did not think when he decided to buy it !!
dont believe this guy, he is not trustworthy, he will stab you from the back while talking nicely with u, dont take advices or feedbacks from him, he does not know what he is doing or saying, and also dont buy anything from me if u r like him

 

[GraphicMan]

I come from a long line of engineers and tradesman. My nephew is designing a machine right now that will be in full production mid October. There is no peeking and a waver has to be signed that you can never share it on social media. This unit will bring the modern slug market machines to its knees.

Pre order yours today! You'll say WOW everytime you make a slug.

here is the press sent to the buyer video that u r making fun of

i could not link the FB video here as it is rejected , so i just uploaded it on my YT channel, for those who never came across my FB to see anything

 

[Dr. Kralenstein]

lol man i feel bad for the dude.. i can feel his frustration whenever he wiggled the lever with the wooden kegel on it. i can only reflect on how i felt back when i bought that hatsan with a plastic trigger housing. sucks bro.

He needs that kegel to tighten his arsehole back up after getting it opened up on this deal.

 

[Ta-Ta Toothie]

show the complete press in action without editing.

 

[WoodWelder]

I come from a long line of engineers and tradesman. My nephew is designing a machine right now that will be in full production mid October. There is no peeking and a waver has to be signed that you can never share it on social media. This unit will bring the modern slug market machines to its knees.

Pre order yours today! You'll say WOW everytime you make a slug.

WOW! Pre orders are coming in fast as I've already received many private messages.......Regretfully, I will only sell to those I feel are deserving of this ground breaking machine. If I have not contacted you back, my apology.