I know curiosity killed the cat, but "what is the rest of the DonnyFL story?
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That's the problem with the world we live in, too much "Classified" BS
The Best disinfectant is still the truth.
Grown ups can handle it.
The Best disinfectant is still the truth.
Grown ups can handle it.
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There is a movement in congress already underway that wishes to dissolve this Bureau, simply because its core mission has gone away long ago after prohibition ended. Perhaps it is time we write to our congressman to further promote this. I further suggest that a funding campaign be generated to help finance DonnyFL's legal costs. He is defending not only his interests, but all of this industry and our sport. We should be sharing his burden. I'm pretty sure he could use our help.
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Well WooHoo I just got my .50 DFL Emperor for my Piledriver. Basically I just got it for the badass look effect. Next week I will order the .30 Ronin and two extension cans, get em while the getting is good.
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Take a look around. Too many whiny bitches that cry about everything around and want everyone to conform to whatever their view is.
I have my own views. Nobody will never change them. I will never preach about them or push them on anyone. And everyone needs to stop pushing their fcking agenda on me. Reciprocity. Leave me alone, I leave you alone.
But I agree with ya. If everyone would just put the truth out there, we'd be fine. I'm
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I'm pretty sure that in todays world that is hate speech. Hate speech is now whatever truth that someone hates to hear, lol. I hate being called a ahole because I don't like to be sold short. I'm the whole azz.Take a look around. Too many whiny bitches that cry about everything around and want everyone to conform to whatever their view is.
I have my own views. Nobody will never change them. I will never preach about them or push them on anyone. And everyone needs to stop pushing their fcking agenda on me. Reciprocity. Leave me alone, I leave you alone.
But I agree with ya. If everyone would just put the truth out there, we'd be fine. I'mprettyextremely blatant IRL. Everyone calls me an ahole. I just say what everyones thinking and don't sugar coat the truth. If you can't handle it, well, go crawl into the closet and cry yourself to sleep.
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I may be wrong but I think the biggest misstake was making internals from metal. The 3 letter guy waited first to make a pile of money that way....
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Let's put it bluntly, my prefered method.. The "influencer/entrepreneurial crowd" have done as much a disservice as a service to the airgun community. yes, it's grown and it has sparked "innovation". yes, it has grown and it has drawn attention.. The rush to make a buck foregoes all common sense at times...
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I did contacted Krale and they looked up name and said their not sending ldc to the US, but they have them.Im making my own.
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I read this and went away and thought about it.
Airguns are not regulated by "Alphabet org". I don't see any evidence that anyone in the influencer/vendor crowd has ever done anything but try to "color within the lines". It is not upon the citizen to create new laws which govern him, rather it is upon him to elect people who will make reasonable laws.
I haven't seen anything YET which leads me to believe anyone INCLUDING DonnyFL in the vendor community has done anything which might have provoked the ire of "Alphabet org".
I don't think it is incumbent upon anyone to worry one way or another about an agency which DOES NOT regulate air arms.
Just my two.
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If the three letter word agency is not regulating, then why are we even commenting on this thread?. Something's happened, the aforementioned individual and his company were visited by those three letters you mention. No debate over that. The products in question are not in circulation like they used to be. Also as mentioned above by others, importers are no longer bringing them in country. At least not as freely as before, so again something's happened.. Maybe "coloring between the lines" painted a clearer picture for some to see..
As I recall here in the States, a company is considered an individual, just like a citizen. The vendor/influencer, the companies, corporations they form are regulated by law. It is incumbent upon them to adhere and abide by the laws of the land. Although, not considered firearms by most states, cities, counties or municipalities, airguns are starting to become regulated. Why you may ask?, for the simple reason LEOs around the country are encountering them more and more. The appeal that draws the law abiding citizen to them isn't lost to the non-abiding. Plenty of instagram and youtube videos being put out there advocating their use as alternatives to firearms. Unfortunate?, yes. Hard to believe, not at all. This has been an issue since the early 90s when Airsoft toy guns drew the ire of society and them too were made to follow certain regulations, despite not being firearms.
It is no secret to anyone that gun ownership and the tax stamps required to go along with those little accessories here in question, are the subject of much contention in this country. If an oil catch can that needs several holes precision drilled into them to render them working oil catch cans can draw the eye of "your appointed" officials, you bet your bottom dollar a well made "thingamagig" calling itself a rose by another name will yield the same result...
Several threads here discussing just how blurry the line is getting between the real thing and our hobby. That is directly due to the efforts of certain individuals to bring to market more and more powerful devices. Some events up on the mountains draw the curiosity and attendance of elite special forces "marksman", Is it really so hard to see the possible logical outcomes? We can faint ignorance and dig our heads in the sand all we want, others won't. It is in the best interest of the individual to act responsibly. Responsibility goes far beyond our own personal desire.
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Our PCPs and hush additions are known about. We can pretend that they are not and have false hopes that as we “just don’t talk about it” regulators will just lose interest and go away. That is a bit goofy to believe.
Donny and family are great folks. I hate to see them hurt at all. He’s moving forward at whatever capacity he can. I’m not speaking for him, but that is rather obvious if you’re paying attention at all.
We shall see. It’s all about money. The devices, even more robust builds, specific for powder igniters, don’t make things more dangerous. They actually make things more safe by mitigating noise levels that damage hearing! It’s about money.
Donny and family are great folks. I hate to see them hurt at all. He’s moving forward at whatever capacity he can. I’m not speaking for him, but that is rather obvious if you’re paying attention at all.
We shall see. It’s all about money. The devices, even more robust builds, specific for powder igniters, don’t make things more dangerous. They actually make things more safe by mitigating noise levels that damage hearing! It’s about money.
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Completely agree, the devices, just like in Europe ought to be encouraged use. They are the CIVIL alternative, unfortunately civility is what seems to be lacking in "our society". The freedoms we possess are eroded by how freely we mock them. A pistol is not an SBR or you'd have no trouble bracing it, Cans are accessible and there is a clear path to get them, high capacity isn't to be used on trees or the road signs nearby ( wide spread reporting of trees being downed by bullet), shooting ranges in public lands (Lizards Mouth in S.B.) are not landfills for people to shoot and discard their old appliances. Plenty of graffiti, trash, massive erosion to the landscapes due to the oh so popular side by sides, not to mention the loud annoying music emanating from them. Not a misanthropic view, rather just an honest evaluation of what my own uneducated eyes can see.
Sometimes the only way of mitigating wide spread use, and therefore misuse, is a high cost of entry, a lengthy bureaucratic process accompanied by fees or sadly for the law abiding CIVILIAN, an all out ban. Only a matter of time before the more robust device was misused. Any one could have seen that coming, including Donny. The hair curlers in the airgun only devices never gave me the impression they were "just as robust". As I have said this here before, and I'll dare say it again, my Weihrauch airgun moderator, does a way better job on my particular airgun than the overbuilt devices so even I, an enthusiast, question the need. Hopefully it won't be left to me to explain the difference to the authorities if i'm unfortunate enough to find myself questioned. My guess is, it will be up to me to explain it, or worse, it will be explained to me right along with all the consequences.
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This...
From the man who said
This...
Maybe now you can read
This...
Without taking offense...
And by the way... we are DANGEROUSLY close to wandering into politics which will get this thread locked faster than you can fart.
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No, it isn't. It is happening because we are dealing with an illiterate populace who are so insecure in their persons that they demand a certain level of security from their gub'mit and because of attempts by politicians and their APPOINTED agents to appease those who are willing to trade their freedom for some imagined security.
As to responsibility, it can not be foisted off upon the next fellow ("certain individuals to bring to market") unless you have met your own liabilities. One of those is the requirement to elect SANE officials. Whining about things and pointing the finger at other members of our avocation are counter productive. But hey using terms like "hush attachments", "LDCs", and "Alphabet org" has been so productive we might as well continue with our heads in the sand doing "lip" service.
Yeah, great idea.
NOTE: That is not aimed at you personally. That is aimed at a community of people who want to pretend the words they use are some sort of protection from those who would take from them the things those words represent.
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Oh my bad, did I come off as offensive or taking offense. Not my intent, I thought we were just having a grown up conversation. I believed you were implying nothing had happened and that things were still up in the air or at least "status quo" and I followed up with more conversation...
The only DANGER here is being unable to discuss important things. The only thing that seem to be allowed is circle jerking each other on just how cool we are.. Let me add some smiley faces and LOLs to make this all ok.. now where are those smileys and cute face emojis at....LOL
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