HW/Weihrauch I need a lot of practice w/ my HW95.............................................

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BCR#1 said:
A front rest/rear bag combo ain't working too good for group shooting. I'll try this artillery hold thing next decently warm day but I only have partial use of my left hand and I'm not very steady shooting off hand so this airgun thing may be a big $700 mistake.

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Hey Bill. Don’t get discouraged. The beauty with a springer is that they make you earn it. You will get good grouping through a LOT of experimentation. It will make you a better marksman in the end. Keep moving forward.
 
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Don't worry too much about the artillery hold with that gun. Ditch the rear bag and go front bag only. Use the V of your left thumb and pointer finger to support the butt stock at your shoulder. You want light shoulder pressure and only allow your cheek to KISS the comb. Now here's the big part. 80% (a random number that I made up but very important!) of shooting a springer well is consistent trigger pull. Stage the trigger at the second stage wall and then lightly apply pressure until it breaks. It should suprise you some. Springers do have a tendency to be very follow through sensative so the less you flinch, the tighter the group.
 
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BCR#1 said:
A front rest/rear bag combo ain't working too good for group shooting. I'll try this artillery hold thing next decently warm day but I only have partial use of my left hand and I'm not very steady shooting off hand so this airgun thing may be a big $700 mistake.

Bill
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rest left hand across front rest using artillery hold for support.
 
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Don't worry too much about the artillery hold with that gun. Ditch the rear bag and go front bag only. Use the V of your left thumb and pointer finger to support the butt stock at your shoulder. You want light shoulder pressure and only allow your cheek to KISS the comb. Now here's the big part. 80% (a random number that I made up but very important!) of shooting a springer well is consistent trigger pull. Stage the trigger at the second stage wall and then lightly apply pressure until it breaks. It should suprise you some. Springers do have a tendency to be very follow through sensative so the less you flinch, the tighter the group.
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This is an excellent tip.. I shoot almost the same using the same principles. The only difference is I place my left hand palm up under the forestock. I lightly touch the front stock screws with my thumb and pointer to maintain consistent placement. There a million great springer tips pinned in this forum.

I will add that the HW95 while an excellent gun it can have issues nobody could shoot it well. Some of these are loose stock screws, barrel droop that causes irregular lock up and scope issues. Then there's excessive dieseling of assembly lube. There's a lot to sort through but they're great once you get it figured out.
 
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This is an excellent tip.. I shoot almost the same using the same principles. The only difference is I place my left hand palm up under the forestock. I lightly touch the front stock screws with my thumb and pointer to maintain consistent placement. There a million great springer tips pinned in this forum.

I will add that the HW95 while an excellent gun it can have issues nobody could shoot it well. Some of these are loose stock screws, barrel droop that causes irregular lock up and scope issues. Then there's excessive dieseling of assembly lube. There's a lot to sort through but they're great once you get it figured out.
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I also use a similar approach for all my springers shooting off a bag. I use a front bag and lay my hand on the bag palm up and rest the forearm in my palm. Lightly tuck into shoulder. All my springers seem to shoot pretty well held in this manner. I don't shoot well offhand, my goal is to work on that and improve. Good luck, I have a 95 .22 and it is a great rifle.
 
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People talk about follow through and it’s true. But defining what that means is just as helpful.

The way I manage it best is to pay attention to the movement of the gun as it’s firing. It’s quick but not so quick as to be imperceptible. I like to watch through the scope and make a mental note of how the crosshairs moved on target through the firing cycle. The most accurate technique for me corresponded to the crosshair moving directly backward and forward. The gun moves but the crosshairs hold point of aim. If it jumps, pulls, or cants, experiment with your setup or hold until it does. I can see if this is happening in just one shot so I don’t even need to shoot groups, allowing me develop a good technique quickly. Allowing a lot of amount of overall movement didn’t always help (as John already mentioned) but finding a technique that gives a follow through that keeps the crosshairs on target really helped me.

As for the rest, a firm jumpy rest is definitely not helpful. The flesh of my hand is always good and a rolled up hand towel can also work. Foams, sand, etc always seemed to lack enough damping to work well for me.

Also most of my guns only really like one pellet, and the results using that pellet change from tin to tin. I focus on JSB and any rebranded pellet made by JSB (Air Arms, FX) to maintain my sanity.

And of course the usual springer warnings apply: make sure your scope and mounts are holding up, make sure your action screws are all snug, and make sure the gun is treated properly.
 
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I think your in new out of the box teething pains .. sometimes you just got to go shoot , shoot , shoot and along that you learn what and how to finesse a hw in . Like stock screws and hinge bolt , make sure that factory gunk out of the barrel/ good clean, maybe snatch apart to inspect the factory work like lubed right or nicked up seal/ seal fit , them common little hw things at start up.. be patient learn the hw ropes and you'll find you got a great shooter in the end ..

Remember.... If it don't work out and dissatisfied you can always box it up and gift it to me .. I always except free to good home hw's. 😉
 
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Sqwirl57 said:
Don't worry too much about the artillery hold with that gun. Ditch the rear bag and go front bag only. Use the V of your left thumb and pointer finger to support the butt stock at your shoulder. You want light shoulder pressure and only allow your cheek to KISS the comb. Now here's the big part. 80% (a random number that I made up but very important!) of shooting a springer well is consistent trigger pull. Stage the trigger at the second stage wall and then lightly apply pressure until it breaks. It should suprise you some. Springers do have a tendency to be very follow through sensative so the less you flinch, the tighter the group.
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I use a soft towel on the front bag and my left hand under the the butt stock with the V technique. No artillery hold. Cheek kissing the stock and slightly firm into my shoulder but not heavy like shooting powder burner The pressure into the shoulder has to be the same each shot.

The trigger pull using the my thumb on the stock slightly high, not wrapped around the stock and my trigger pull is really like a pinch movement on the trigger toward my thumb. I find when I try to wrap my thumb and slowly apply pressure I tend to pull my shots. More of a quick light pinch straight back trying not to induce movement in the stock.

Follow thru by holding the trigger back not releasing it after the shot. Hold it until the gun has settled and you can see the shot placement on the target. That keeps your head down.

Chrono helps find a good pellet that has a low standard deviation and the best velocity.

Practice Practice Practice and then you will learn your guns likes and dislikes.

Best of all enjoy the journey, shooting is fun even if you're not shooting one hole groups.

Z
 
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Hateful McNasty said:
I think your in new out of the box teething pains .. sometimes you just got to go shoot , shoot , shoot and along that you learn what and how to finesse a hw in . Like stock screws and hinge bolt , make sure that factory gunk out of the barrel/ good clean, maybe snatch apart to inspect the factory work like lubed right or nicked up seal/ seal fit , them common little hw things at start up.. be patient learn the hw ropes and you'll find you got a great shooter in the end ..

Remember.... If it don't work out and dissatisfied you can always box it up and gift it to me .. I always except free to good home hw's. 😉
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Yes, the rifle was NIB from AOA two days a go and only around 40 shots so far. I figure a whole can of H&N field target 8.64's for practice and technique changes. Then I'll move to lighter JSB Diabolo match ammo to see what the rifle likes. Thanks for all the hold technique idea's as I will be trying them either Friday or Saturday with the nicer warm weather.

Bill
 
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BCR#1 said:
Yes, the rifle was NIB from AOA two days a go and only around 40 shots so far. I figure a whole can of H&N field target 8.64's for practice and technique changes. Then I'll move to lighter JSB Diabolo match ammo to see what the rifle likes. Thanks for all the hold technique idea's as I will be trying them either Friday or Saturday with the nicer warm weather.

Bill
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Oh yeah man you have some time before you should even be thinking about giving up. The gun should start to settle in at 50-100 shots and then will just keep getting smoother and easier to shoot over the next 500-1000. Not only will the gun get better but you'll start to notice patterns for what the gun likes and doesn't like and YOU will be better too. You're going to feel pretty darn good about yourself once you get the hang of it!
 
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BCR#1 said:
Yes, the rifle was NIB from AOA two days a go and only around 40 shots so far. I figure a whole can of H&N field target 8.64's for practice and technique changes. Then I'll move to lighter JSB Diabolo match ammo to see what the rifle likes. Thanks for all the hold technique idea's as I will be trying them either Friday or Saturday with the nicer warm weather.

Bill
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Id try crosman hollow points easy to get from wall mart.. pretty much all I ever shoot ... As I say I shoot them 99.8942% of the time ..lol. if nothing else help ease the break in pellet count cost ..

Also maybe shoot on irons and see if that helps between gun/ hold issue or scope/ mount issue ..
 
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When I got my first springer, HW95 Luxus, I watched the AofA video on shooting springers. It helped a lot. I bought about 10 different pellets from a local gun store, that was a mistake, but also bought some pellets from PA to try.
After literally throwing away 9 of the 10 tins I found one that was excellent. I’ve since sold the rifle so no idea which pellet it was. But by the time I was done and found a pellet that performed well I was hitting 12ga shotgun hulls at 50yds. Not every shot but darn near.
For me the key was remembering to not press the buttstock into the shoulder pocket and a gravity support in front. That immediately brought satisfaction and accuracy.
So definitely try a variety of pellets, 5 or 10 rounds of each at 20-25 yards and see which one looks promising. Maybe try cleaning barrel too.
 
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Bear-of-Grayling said:
Remember,
PCP’s/22 long rifle’s are like dogs. Very forgiving.
Springer‘s are like cats. They make you earn it.
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Accurate lol

I got this. I got this.

Springer: No you don't.

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