If Gamo has BSA barrel, why buy a BSA?

[CLWhite67]

Just curious about what if anything is different about a Gamo with BSA and a BSA. I own a Gamo Urban .22 and it shoots great at 50 yds. After cleaning it I am dead on at 50 yds and have been nailing the squirrels that disrupt my wife's bird watching with a single shot to the head. I am new to the hobby and really liked the looks of the BSA R10SE but the price is pretty scary. Same with the Daystate Huntsman price. The only issue I have with my Gamo is that I have to pump it up by hand, no easy feat at 53 years old and being of smaller stature. I only get about 20 shots before I have to pump up again so that limits my fun as I don't enjoy pumping it up.



So back to my original question. What if anything makes a BSA a better gun besides the stock if both use BSA's hammer forged barrel? Is the bolt that much better? I can't seem to figure out if it is regulated and gets more shots per fill. Thanks.

 

[Vetmx]

It’s like comparing a Harbor Freight tool to a Snap on. They both get the job done but there is a quality difference. No pot metal on a BSA. Everything is built with pride and made to last. Gamo stuff is more box store and throw away. But there is no question, the Urban is a good gun in that price range. I would recommend it to anyone who wants a good gun. 

 

[Yo]

The BSA is regulated, has a higher capacity bottle, a much greater shot count, significantly better match grade trigger, much nicer fancier stock, better sound moderated full length shroud with integral silencer, a lot longer, way more heavier, way way way more expensive AND a lot lot lot harder to pump. Yo!

 

[Antoni]

The Gamo gets some amazing groups. Let’s just say it gets 1 MOA consistently at 50 yards. Would I buy it over a BSA scorpion SE that does the same? They are both not regulated, the BSA probably gets less shots per fill, and the Gamo costs significantly less. Would I still buy it? Yes, I would get the BSA Scorpion hands down. Why? Because I want quality. The BSA Scorpion will last me a lot longer than the Gamo. The trigger will be much better. The stock will bring me joy. All that and more will come to give me a good day out, where I don’t have to fight the gun to get a good group or hit the target. 


I wouldn’t buy the R10 though. I’d get the Huntsman. Daystate’s quality is brilliant, and the slingshot hammer system gives you a nice fat power curve. There’s a sense of refinement which is IMO what air rifles are about.


AK

 

[Enkey]

Hi

Gamo at the time of the springers manufactured quality airguns but when it expanded around the world, it chose to earn money by sales volume not by quality, quality came to the background, but even so I consider that its relation quality price is very good

Regards 

Enkey 

 

[JCD]

You guy understand that one owns the other...? The BSA name carries a bit of a premium but it really comes down to features. Reg or not, tube VS bottle (shot count), appearance, model (they donj't all overlap the brand) etc... 

If there is one you like than compare to the closest in the other brand.

 

[Yo]

You guy understand that one owns the other...? The BSA name carries a bit of a premium but it really comes down to features. Reg or not, tube VS bottle (shot count), appearance, model (they donj't all overlap the brand) etc... 

If there is one you like than compare to the closest in the other brand.

THANK GOD BSAs DONT HAVE GAMO BARRELS AND TRIGGERS!!! YO!

 

[JCD]

YO, I like small automatic sports cars so it's third gear for me..

 

[Eaglebeak]

Gamo owns BSA. They usually only use the trade name for their higher end guns that are still made in the UK. There are a few exceptions like the BSA Buccaneer and the Gamo Coyote and Urban which are hybrids from the parts bin. 

 

[theotherpursuit]

The Gamo gets some amazing groups. Let’s just say it gets 1 MOA consistently at 50 yards. Would I buy it over a BSA scorpion SE that does the same? They are both not regulated, the BSA probably gets less shots per fill, and the Gamo costs significantly less. Would I still buy it? Yes, I would get the BSA Scorpion hands down. Why? Because I want quality. The BSA Scorpion will last me a lot longer than the Gamo. The trigger will be much better. The stock will bring me joy. All that and more will come to give me a good day out, where I don’t have to fight the gun to get a good group or hit the target. 


I wouldn’t buy the R10 though. I’d get the Huntsman. Daystate’s quality is brilliant, and the slingshot hammer system gives you a nice fat power curve. There’s a sense of refinement which is IMO what air rifles are about.


AK

Ditto to everything you said. And, I’ll add that I don’t think the R10 Is worth the $1,200 or so asking price. The nicest part of the R10 is the stock and barrel. Other than that, the tooling and choice of materials are somewhat dated and subpar inmo. That said, it’s probably one of the best shooters straight out of the box.

I speak from experience having owned 2 BSA models about 10-15 years ago.

For similar money to the R10, the new AA510 regulated would be a better pic with regards to build quality. Not to knock the BSA, but they haven’t really changed at all in a decade plus. Most every model sports the same dated receiver block.

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[Raden1942]

I agree with previous replies but will add that the cat trigger on the Gamo is absolutely garbage. It felt like a rubber band on a coat hanger to me. The single greatest mod I did to my dads was a Charlie da tuna drop in metal trigger. My goodness what a difference! Not quite match grade but a huge improvement! I also drilled in some sling swivels and added a pic rail on the side for a flashlight. I love the urban

 

[MartinT]

The CAT trigger is awesome if... you just replace the factory screw with an allen bolt that is just slightly longer. Now you can have that hair trigger in a $300 gun as well! Of course common sense applies. (i.e. the famous US disclaimer...) do the “drop test” to make sure the gun does not become unsafe. And for inhabitants of the state of California; an allen bolt is known to cause cancer and birth defects. (You guys notice this warning is posted on literally EVERYTHING nowadays? Which idiot legislator made it so?) So you have been warned!
For the rest of the world: Do the mod, you’ll be very glad you did and will be amazed how superbly accurate these BSA Gamo guns are!

Edit: Got some questions about the screw, it's the black philips just behind the trigger. The original is an M2.5 x 7mm and you want to replace it with an M2.5 x 9mm. Pretty difficult to find in hardware stores (because of the small size), so I got them off Aliexpress.