it will probably be the one i buy @ toys that shoot this year if i find what i want that is .
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Another good choiceOut of ALL my pistols, co2, spring, pcp or ssp, the one that would keep is my S&W 78G.
I also have two, an earlier model with the adjustable trigger. The later model is quite good, but that earlierr order with the adjustable trigger is fantastic.
SD, I share your enthusiasm for the Crosman 38 guns. They were real game-changers back in the day. I've accumulated 6 or 7 of them now, only one of which has good seals. I've also acquired three other newer CO2 revolvers, each of which has things to like about it but none of them is perfect. I really need to get a couple more of my 38s up and running.For you that shoot CO2 pistols. If you could only own one CO2 pistol. Which one?
My pick would be a 38T .22 the reasons. It's a .22, very fun to shoot. Accurate single action, a great trigger not bad as a double action. The history behind the two models. It almost all metal construction. The gun is not complicated to repair. 5 easy mods for it. The revolver has the weight, the size, the correct grips, the adjustable sights, firing action and all the features in which the pistol it replicates.
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Sorry I haven't gotten to this sooner J, but I've been too sick to do anything but sleep since your post.Any chance you could provide information on how to do the adjustable sear?
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There are many reasons I've owned a dozen Crosman 150s. And the only one I still own would be the last Co2 pistol I'd part with.
At only 9.5" overall, it's an actual PISTOL. The trigger breaks like a glass rod at only 24 ounces, thanks to the adjustable-sear trigger-job I developed in the 1980's. Scope-able because I marketed mounts to fit several vintage Crosman rifle and pistol models for decades. The figured walnut grips pictured were custom made for my hands, by my hands. The balance is light and superb, making precision offhand shots reality. Power is impressive enough for excellent small-game hunting to 30+ yards, and the accuracy is unbelievable... even to ME! But true.
As excerpted from Airgun Chronicles- Thirty Years Of Airgun Hunting And Competition-
14.3gr JSB Express, 100F, 22 shot powerband- Low= 444, Hi= 456, ES= 12, SD= 4, Avg= 451 FPS/6.5 Foot Pounds
This scoped 150 with trigger & action work has taken jackrabbit to 30 yards and cottontail to 35 (offhand).
7/6/13 Five consecutive three-shot groups at 25 yards averaged .37” c-t-c with 14.3 JSB Express.
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i have no Co2 guns but really like the looks of the 150's , looking for one @ toys that shoot the end of this month , what should i look out for (bad things)
WOW wonderful thankyou very much . the 150 was on my list but down on the list , actually im looking for SSP first top on the list . IZH 46, S&W 78/79GMan, that's a loaded question; but I'll try to help.
As if airguns originally bought primarily for rug-rats don't get abused and neglected enough, especially Co2 guns, 150s are about a half-century old!
1) Don't waste your time on any examples in less than very good to excellent cosmetic condition. The further you stray below that, the exponentially greater the chance(s) it's got more than cosmetic issues. The closer to pristine, the better chance(s) it has no irreparable functional issues.
2) Take a bore-light or small flashlight to check the bore(s) carefully. Healthy 150s with undamaged rifling are capable of 1/2" to 3/4" groups at 25 yards, but you WON'T find a replacement 150 barrel anywhere if you need one. Suffice to say it's not beyond rug-rats to shoot .175 BBs in a .22 rifled bore (or worse); and/or use a wire clothes hanger to push out whatever they've gotten stuck in the rifling.Look closely for scratched, pitted, or otherwise damaged rifling or muzzle-crowns.
3) Also take a few 12 gram Co2 cartridges with you. When/if you find a 150 passing the first two requisites (quite likely), ask the seller if it's also functionally happy, healthy, and doesn't leak. If they say it's all good, I'll often reply that if that is truly the case I'll take it... then, while watching the seller's body-language (especially facial), I'll produce a Co2 cartridge and ask if it's okay to check the gun for leaks. If the seller doesn't agree to that, I walk away.It's always a losing proposition to buy any airgun from a liar.
4) But if the seller agrees to the leak test, and the gun leaks, any asking price based on assurances it doesn't leak is obsolete.Since I can reseal a 150, I'll offer $50 less than I'd pay if the gun doesn't leak. But if you can't reseal one (yourself), $50 isn't enough difference between a healthy 150 and a leaking albatross around your neck. Hiring someone to reseal a 150 will likely cost around $50, likely plus shipping (both directions). Might not hurt to price a 150 reseal before the show. I only reseal my own guns; but there are those that do it professionally.
I hope this helps, and you don't hold my realistic suggestions against me. Unmuzzled honesty is one of my more maddening personality quirks.
BT, feel free to call me if you find a promising example at the show and could use more information/opinions. I'm neither allergic to conversation nor hesitant to help fellow airgunners. Being retired and divorced, I don't have normal folks' distractions like a job, wife, or responsibilities. I'm happy to help.
Happy Shopping,
Ron
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SteveVI enjoy co2 pistols in the summer, and night time fun in the man cave 7 yard range.
If I had to choose one, would have to say a Crosman 22XX combination build.
FWIW, you can set up hpa conversion builds for co2 as well, bulk fill, no cartridges.
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can anyone explain to me what is so different about CO2 and PCP seals, guess I don't understand why we keep the PCP guns charged to protect the seals but CO2 empty to protect the seals.. unless there's something I have not thought of, and likely there is.. I can only think it's the seal for the neck of the cartridge being compressed over time and gets ruined.. I'd think that if CO2 itself damaged seals, they would be made out of a more comfortable material.. Mark HooperThen why even reply.
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Shoot a CO2 until your done. Don't leave a gun charged. It will ruin your seals.
Sorry I haven't gotten to this sooner J, but I've been too sick to do anything but sleep since your post.
Anyone using this information to modify a trigger does so completely at their own risk, and cannot transfer responsibility for any shortage of common sense to me.
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You're looking for the sear engagement screw (top) and trigger over-travel screw (bottom). I consider the over-travel screw almost a superfluous option; the magic lies in the sear engagement screw. Placement of either is critical.
Should you need more details of information, you'll have to call me.
Regards,
Ron
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Co2 willcan anyone explain to me what is so different about CO2 and PCP seals, guess I don't understand why we keep the PCP guns charged to protect the seals but CO2 empty to protect the seals.. unless there's something I have not thought of, and likely there is.. I can only think it's the seal for the neck of the cartridge being compressed over time and gets ruined.. I'd think that if CO2 itself damaged seals, they would be made out of a more comfortable material.. Mark Hooper
can anyone explain to me what is so different about CO2 and PCP seals, guess I don't understand why we keep the PCP guns charged to protect the seals but CO2 empty to protect the seals.. unless there's something I have not thought of, and likely there is.. I can only think it's the seal for the neck of the cartridge being compressed over time and gets ruined.. I'd think that if CO2 itself damaged seals, they would be made out of a more comfortable material.. Mark Hooper