FX Impact M3 how to get slug fps decent !?

Hello from Australia

Been reading these forums for tips and advice since I went PCP and I got my .22 Impact M3 600mm ~ 2 years, great gun straight out of the box and I set it up to shoot rainbow lorikeet's on the vineyard(declared pest/vermin in this part of Australia that destroys grape vines and kills native birds).

Found the JSB 18gr Barracuda Hunter to work great @ ~960 fps, and after fitting a CF barrel stiffener and harmonic balancer the gun was super accurate and consistent I was never going back to the .22 LR, even though the Tikka .22 LR was so much lighter than the PCP, when I tried it again it just highlighted how accurate and consistent the Impact M3 was and the large capacity magazine really seals the deal.

So now I though I would try shoot something heavier for the rabbits and rats, so I got a STX heavy liner and some slugs, just fitting the liner and trying to shoot a 27gr + slug yielded pretty low fps even after turning the regs up to 140/120, then 160/140, I was barely getting 800fps with the 27.5 nsa .218's and 700 something with the 33gr zans. With the 23gr slugs I could get high 900...

After much reading of forums and watching YT etc it was clear I needed other upgrades !, so I ordered the slug power kit with the tungsten hammer and pin probe and Huma 2nd reg, then after more research worked out that to make the 14g hammer work I needed a lot more pressure so I ran the gun up to 180/165 and didn't really get the speed with the 33+ gr slugs, the gun was getting belted and air usage was extreme, tried the different springs and ball etc, still couldn't get heavy slugs moving and even the speed on the 23gr slugs wasn't much better with all this extra pressure !

Maybe the 14gr hammer is not right for this set-up, so I turned up a brass hammer that weights 8.35g and dropped the 2nd reg down to 140, now I was getting more consistent speeds about the same as the 14g hammer and 160+bar, gave up on the heavy slugs(wow did I go through some ammunition AND air !!) and needed to have the gun useable in the field again so focused on getting a good tune with the 23gr slugs.

I got the 23gr's going 1050 fps + with the regs dropped to 140/120, then sighted and tuned the harmonics etc until I got same speed shot after shot and good accuracy at 1040 fps.

TLDR:

How do I get at least 950fps, preferably 1050fps with a 33gr + slug in this thing !? Is my barrel too short @ 600mm ? Are these internet stories of 1000+fps 40gr .22 slugs fairy tales !?? Do I need even more extreme pressures ?

For me the ballistics of only getting 800fps out of a 33gr slug aren't good enough to bother using this gun for rabbits and rats(need projectile weight to punch through trees etc), its way sub par to a .22 lr with good ammunition doing 1050fps with a 40gr projectile.

PS : this is the late M3, already has power plenum etc std.
 
Hello from Australia

Been reading these forums for tips and advice since I went PCP and I got my .22 Impact M3 600mm ~ 2 years, great gun straight out of the box and I set it up to shoot rainbow lorikeet's on the vineyard(declared pest/vermin in this part of Australia that destroys grape vines and kills native birds).

Found the JSB 18gr Barracuda Hunter to work great @ ~960 fps, and after fitting a CF barrel stiffener and harmonic balancer the gun was super accurate and consistent I was never going back to the .22 LR, even though the Tikka .22 LR was so much lighter than the PCP, when I tried it again it just highlighted how accurate and consistent the Impact M3 was and the large capacity magazine really seals the deal.

So now I though I would try shoot something heavier for the rabbits and rats, so I got a STX heavy liner and some slugs, just fitting the liner and trying to shoot a 27gr + slug yielded pretty low fps even after turning the regs up to 140/120, then 160/140, I was barely getting 800fps with the 27.5 nsa .218's and 700 something with the 33gr zans. With the 23gr slugs I could get high 900...

After much reading of forums and watching YT etc it was clear I needed other upgrades !, so I ordered the slug power kit with the tungsten hammer and pin probe and Huma 2nd reg, then after more research worked out that to make the 14g hammer work I needed a lot more pressure so I ran the gun up to 180/165 and didn't really get the speed with the 33+ gr slugs, the gun was getting belted and air usage was extreme, tried the different springs and ball etc, still couldn't get heavy slugs moving and even the speed on the 23gr slugs wasn't much better with all this extra pressure !

Maybe the 14gr hammer is not right for this set-up, so I turned up a brass hammer that weights 8.35g and dropped the 2nd reg down to 140, now I was getting more consistent speeds about the same as the 14g hammer and 160+bar, gave up on the heavy slugs(wow did I go through some ammunition AND air !!) and needed to have the gun useable in the field again so focused on getting a good tune with the 23gr slugs.

I got the 23gr's going 1050 fps + with the regs dropped to 140/120, then sighted and tuned the harmonics etc until I got same speed shot after shot and good accuracy at 1040 fps.

TLDR:

How do I get at least 950fps, preferably 1050fps with a 33gr + slug in this thing !? Is my barrel too short @ 600mm ? Are these internet stories of 1000+fps 40gr .22 slugs fairy tales !?? Do I need even more extreme pressures ?

For me the ballistics of only getting 800fps out of a 33gr slug aren't good enough to bother using this gun for rabbits and rats(need projectile weight to punch through trees etc), its way sub par to a .22 lr with good ammunition doing 1050fps with a 40gr projectile.

PS : this is the late M3, already has power plenum etc std.
To achieve 40gr slugs at over 1000fps you will need a really heavy hammer and the 800mm barrel if you don't want to do any porting to the transfer port in the block amongts other things.

Not sure what exactly is going on with your M3 but you didn't really need a slug kit to achieve 27gr above 900fps. Out of my compact .22 I'm currently shooting 25.39gr Pellets at 880. I removed the 1st reg, and my rear reg is set at 130ish bar. I did end uo getting the Huma pellet probe which allows for more airflow from the transfer port, I prefer it over the pin probe. I find that it pushes the slugs more evenly.

As a comparison, in my m2 with the 700mm barrel, I had it upgraded like an m3. No slug kit, just a heavier hammer, I think it aas the 8g Huma hammer, along with the Huma probe, and at about 144b I was pushing 34gr slugs at 910fps with the hammer being about half way.

For shooting pellets having the 2 regs help, but for slugs there really is no need for the front reg. You can definitely make it work, but it's harder to do. You need to increase the difference in pressure 30-40b from each other, 15-20b won't do much.
 
Ok, yes I can shoot 25gr pellets at ~880fps, but jump up to 27gr slugs and that goes down a lot and 33gr would be sub 800, as I have found going up in projectile weight has massive influence on speed.

I need to do some more testing with the 8.4g brass hammer and 33gr, and I really would like closer to 1000fps to make that set-up worth while, I have ZAN 36gr as well, what fps do you think I should be able to achieve with the 36gr and 600mm barrel ?

What are these porting mods of which you speak, and what sort of performance increase would be possible ?
 
OK just spent some time flinging lead around... I might have been a bit hasty to give up on the new brass ~8.4g hammer I turned in the lathe, I did make sure the shoulder was not as thick as the tungsten hammer as this restricted how far your could dial the spring and still be able to cock the gun, not sure the std hammer spring is optimal with different hammer and pressures...

With 145bar on 2nd reg and 11 on dial and 4th line ;

23gr Javelin Gen2's BC: 0.085 - 1042 fps
25gr H&N Slug HP BC 0.100 - 1003

16 on dial and 4.5 line

25gr H&N Slug HP BC 0.100 - 1027
27.5gr NSA BC: 0.090 - 1001

165b on 2nd reg

23gr Javelin Gen2 BC: 0.085 - 1090
25gr H&N Slug HP BC 0.100 - 1065
27.5gr NSA BC: 0.090 - 1020
31.2gr NSA BC: 0.095 - 954
34gr H&N Slug HP BC 0.108 - 950

33gr ZAN BC 0.107 - 950
36gr ZAN BC 0.115 - 922

Tried winding the pressure up further to 180b, but that resulted in less fps, so that's past the weight of that hammers ability, maybe the 14g tungsten hammer might work at 180b

Maybe I could get closer to 1000fps with 34gr slugs with a 800mm barrel, but that's very log gun +200mm.

Shot count is also an issue now these high pressures, used to get 2+ mags with 18gr pellets @75b, don't think I would get 1 with 165b.

Still more testing required as I haven't even dialled any of those heavy slugs in for accuracy/harmonics, and will have to plot ballistics and knock down power.
 
Ok, yes I can shoot 25gr pellets at ~880fps, but jump up to 27gr slugs and that goes down a lot and 33gr would be sub 800, as I have found going up in projectile weight has massive influence on speed.

I need to do some more testing with the 8.4g brass hammer and 33gr, and I really would like closer to 1000fps to make that set-up worth while, I have ZAN 36gr as well, what fps do you think I should be able to achieve with the 36gr and 600mm barrel ?

What are these porting mods of which you speak, and what sort of performance increase would be possible ?
With the 600mm you should be able to push the 36gr over 900fps but you will need to up the reg. For instance rear reg 160b and the front reg to 190b set the hammer half way and the valve adjuster to 3.5 lines and tune up from there.
 
OK just spent some time flinging lead around... I might have been a bit hasty to give up on the new brass ~8.4g hammer I turned in the lathe, I did make sure the shoulder was not as thick as the tungsten hammer as this restricted how far your could dial the spring and still be able to cock the gun, not sure the std hammer spring is optimal with different hammer and pressures...

With 145bar on 2nd reg and 11 on dial and 4th line ;

23gr Javelin Gen2's BC: 0.085 - 1042 fps
25gr H&N Slug HP BC 0.100 - 1003

16 on dial and 4.5 line

25gr H&N Slug HP BC 0.100 - 1027
27.5gr NSA BC: 0.090 - 1001

165b on 2nd reg

23gr Javelin Gen2 BC: 0.085 - 1090
25gr H&N Slug HP BC 0.100 - 1065
27.5gr NSA BC: 0.090 - 1020
31.2gr NSA BC: 0.095 - 954
34gr H&N Slug HP BC 0.108 - 950

33gr ZAN BC 0.107 - 950
36gr ZAN BC 0.115 - 922

Tried winding the pressure up further to 180b, but that resulted in less fps, so that's past the weight of that hammers ability, maybe the 14g tungsten hammer might work at 180b

Maybe I could get closer to 1000fps with 34gr slugs with a 800mm barrel, but that's very log gun +200mm.

Shot count is also an issue now these high pressures, used to get 2+ mags with 18gr pellets @75b, don't think I would get 1 with 165b.

Still more testing required as I haven't even dialled any of those heavy slugs in for accuracy/harmonics, and will have to plot ballistics and knock down power.
You dont need the 800mm to reach 1000fps with the 34gr you can use heavier hammer. Just realize that you're shot count will only diminish further.


Wait, you wouls only get 2+ mags with the 18gr at 75b? With the 600mm barrel you should've easily been getting 7-8 mags unless you had the valve adjuster way open as well as the hammer.
 
Welcome to the reality of trying to get .22lr power on .22 PCPs. For all the work, testing, tuning, air, harshness of the shot cycles it's hard to beat a good .22lr with a brick of ammo lol. If you want a good BC ammo Altaros 32gr smooth and they like to be shot 880-900fps. Might not be the 1000fps+ your hoping for but you lose BC over 830ish FPS anyways and the faster you go the worse it gets.
 
You watch too many south African guys. You do not need to shoot 40gr .22 at over 1000 fps to be accurate. Slugs will be accurate around 900-1000. No need to be chasing after the 1000 plus fps cause south African boys are doing it. They do it cause their law only allow them to have .22 cal. They can not have .25 or .30 or .35 cal. That is the reason they shooting at that speed. To be able to reach such speed. They are modding their guns to the max. Even setting reg over 180 bar. 800mm barrel. Tungsten hammer. Slug power kit. Ect. They do more to their guns than the average Joe.
 
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Ok thanks for everyone's input.

Main role for this gun is pest control, I only shoot paper to set-up/sight in, I'm not looking for big speeds for the sake of it, its to give me a tool which has the performance, we get a lot of wind here in the hilly parts, some days the tree branches with the flock of 40+ birds are swaying back and forth 2m and you need to punch through leaves etc.
I don't like wounding the rabbits also and the few I have dispatched with the PCP 25gr's just don't drop like a 40gr LR @1050fps, can't always make headshots and have to take the percentage shoulder hit, which stops them quick with a good 22 LR hollow point.

So now I think its back to a birding only gun for the Impact, will have to see how the 18gr pellets go in the slug liner so I can just dial it up and down for a < 30gr slug and 18gr pellet.

I sorta did expect this expensive PCP to be a bit of a novelty, but the marketing when it was released sure did bang on about it being better and as powerful as 22 LR ! Been fun though, its a cool bit of engineering, just wish I bought the proper Scuba grade compressor earlier, those little hong chong things are pure crap.
 
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Altaros slugs have a G1 BC of 0.18 in 32.3grain or 0.21 in 40grain.


They work well at 890fps, as someone else mentioned. They require a heavy liner for sufficient twist.

The 600mm barrel will shoot the 32.3grain at the required speed on the knee of a tune somewhere around 125bar. The shot cycle will be smooth and they are astonishingly accurate.
 
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Ok thanks for everyone's input.

Main role for this gun is pest control, I only shoot paper to set-up/sight in, I'm not looking for big speeds for the sake of it, its to give me a tool which has the performance, we get a lot of wind here in the hilly parts, some days the tree branches with the flock of 40+ birds are swaying back and forth 2m and you need to punch through leaves etc.
I don't like wounding the rabbits also and the few I have dispatched with the PCP 25gr's just don't drop like a 40gr LR @1050fps, can't always make headshots and have to take the percentage shoulder hit, which stops them quick with a good 22 LR hollow point.

So now I think its back to a birding only gun for the Impact, will have to see how the 18gr pellets go in the slug liner so I can just dial it up and down for a < 30gr slug and 18gr pellet.

I sorta did expect this expensive PCP to be a bit of a novelty, but the marketing when it was released sure did bang on about it being better and as powerful as 22 LR ! Been fun though, its a cool bit of engineering, just wish I bought the proper Scuba grade compressor earlier, those little hong chong things are pure crap.
For rabbits out to even 100yds you could shoot 22gr slugs around 930fps and that would still be overkill, it's all about how precise your shots are.
 
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For rabbits out to even 100yds you could shoot 22gr slugs around 930fps and that would still be overkill, it's all about how precise your shots are.
Yeah I could use the PCP for rabbits no problem, if it was the only option I had I would and be happy with it, but shooting many varied ranges and positions its still inferior AND much heavier(never expected that!) than the 22LR... and not even in the same league as my favourite little 17 HMR, that thing shoots 5mm groups out 100-125m and puts large holes in things !

Give me a PCP that can do this @140m and I'm sold.
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Yeah I could use the PCP for rabbits no problem, if it was the only option I had I would and be happy with it, but shooting many varied ranges and positions its still inferior AND much heavier(never expected that!) than the 22LR... and not even in the same league as my favourite little 17 HMR, that thing shoots 5mm groups out 100-125m and puts large holes in things !

Give me a PCP that can do this @140m and I'm sold.
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Trust me if they could do that there would be lines of people buying them also. Unfortunately not the reality and we live with the limitations of air vs gun powder.
 
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Some .22LR shooters always want to shoot faster and with higher energy levels. The old saying is that then they should have bought a .22 magnum, 17HMR or a .22 Hornet. The same can be said about PCP rifles. You want more power than a .22 pcp can deliver, buy a .25 or .35 pcp. Then you have equal or more power than a .22LR.

No need to be chasing after the 1000 plus fps cause south African boys are doing it. They do it cause their law only allow them to have .22 cal. They can not have .25 or .30 or .35 cal. That is the reason they shooting at that speed.
Yes, in SA we can only legally buy a air rifle up to .22 in caliber without license. However, we can buy .25 up to big bore air rifles but will need a firearm license for that which is still a lengthy proses, although it improved the last year. Plus the purchase price of such pcp's is much higher in comparison to many other countries. That is why most then rather opt for a .22LR or bigger.

Most of the SA air rifle youtubers are sponsored and one of the reasons that they increase the power is marketing that instead of a .22LR you can use a PCP without license. Most other pcp shooters don't increase the power like that and shoot normal pcp speed and power levels.
 
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Yeah I could use the PCP for rabbits no problem, if it was the only option I had I would and be happy with it, but shooting many varied ranges and positions its still inferior AND much heavier(never expected that!) than the 22LR... and not even in the same league as my favourite little 17 HMR, that thing shoots 5mm groups out 100-125m and puts large holes in things !

Give me a PCP that can do this @140m and I'm sold.
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I am very familiar with the sweet 17s and I love them. If I could use then for iguana removal I would despite the big difference in ammo cost.

For something like that you would need to up the caliber to a .35 and get those hybrids running close to 1000fps, they will expand a lot.
 
Your original post makes me think your rifle needs a rebuild with some fresh o-rings. Maybe start with the easy ones inside & outside of the brass port. My stock 700mm Impact can easily get 27 gr. slugs to 1000 FPS with the 2nd reg at 125. I cannot imagine your 100 mm shorter barrel would max out as you describe, but I don’t have any experience with that length so would defer to those that do.

I also bought a slug liner but the results I’ve gotten with the 1:24 pellet liner and 27 gr. slugs at 50-150 yards have kept me there.