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IMPACT M4 VIDEO - IN FIELD USE
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Is the new top rail still 20moa? Fx announced it having a newly design rail due to it being more robust, adjustable and with tighter tolerances. Yet the very first video of the gun being used in the field already has an aftermarket top rail that's supposed to make the gun more rigid and an 30moa built in.
Is it better than the new design?
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The new top rail is 30moa and a great design! The reason we have the two M4s outfitted in the Airmarksman Top Rail is because we use a lot of thermal / night vision. The extra length really helps with mounting solutions.
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I hate to say it but I am very underwhelmed with the M4. The trigger seems to be a great improvement. I hope it is backwards compatible and available for current Impact owners.
It still needs a different top rail to be suitable for your, and most of our uses.
No extended arca rail is a dissapointment.
Still needs power kits and slug liners for most of us.
What I had hoped for:
A MUCH stiffer and longer top rail
An extended Arca bottom rail
Newer hi volume valving similar to the DRS and dynamic family
The ability to accept large diameter barrels similar to the Skout and Red Panda
A working front reg instead of deleting it and saying this is somehow better.
These feel like the kind of incremental changes that can be made through iterations. The power block came out without any new model names and is as big an improvement as any of these claims of an "All New" model.
I love that FX introduces new guns frequently and is always willing to advance the state of the art. However the 2 most recent offerings in the M4 and the DRS with the "magazine" looking plenum are not heading in a direction I am interested in.
Before anyone accuses me of FX bashing. I have many high end rifles and my M3 is the most consistently accurate gun I have. I love it but it has cost as much in aftermarket parts as the gun itself costs.
It still needs a different top rail to be suitable for your, and most of our uses.
No extended arca rail is a dissapointment.
Still needs power kits and slug liners for most of us.
What I had hoped for:
A MUCH stiffer and longer top rail
An extended Arca bottom rail
Newer hi volume valving similar to the DRS and dynamic family
The ability to accept large diameter barrels similar to the Skout and Red Panda
A working front reg instead of deleting it and saying this is somehow better.
These feel like the kind of incremental changes that can be made through iterations. The power block came out without any new model names and is as big an improvement as any of these claims of an "All New" model.
I love that FX introduces new guns frequently and is always willing to advance the state of the art. However the 2 most recent offerings in the M4 and the DRS with the "magazine" looking plenum are not heading in a direction I am interested in.
Before anyone accuses me of FX bashing. I have many high end rifles and my M3 is the most consistently accurate gun I have. I love it but it has cost as much in aftermarket parts as the gun itself costs.
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Phew. I thought it was just me. The upgrades seem like a solution in search of a problem. But yes. The trigger looks like a good improvement. Like you I am almost exclusively fx in guns I actually shoot but I’m struggling to see why this one is worth the upgrade. But that color looks nice…
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After the scam that is the DRS Pro I have lost a lot of faith in FX. The M3 is an incredible platform, I'd say it's about 90% perfect and you could bring it to 98-99% perfect with aftermarket addons.
From what I've seen and read about the M4 it's probably a 91% on my scale for perfection.
To me the airmarksman backbone and saber tactical arca rail are mandatory upgrades. The backbone fixes the flex/wobble in the rifle by making it rigid and the st arca rail speaks for itself as what the rifle comes with is basically useless.
They do say they have strengthened the rifle but I'm still willing to bet there will be a slight flex/wobble thought it might be a bit less than the M3.
Having aftermarket parts available for your platform is great as it means other manufacturers will promote your product with their addons.
The problem starts when these addons start feeling mandatory...
From the trade info and product sheets I have received for my store I have not seen any FX made extended top rails or trigger guard arca/picatinny extensions.
A pet peeve of mine is the tungsten hammer. Is a tungsten hammer better than the default for both pellet and slugs? If it is then why not make it the default hammer in the rifle? It's a $€1 part that's sold for $€30-40 in what to me feels like a penny pinching move similar to mobile games developers who shove micro transactions in your face at every chance they get.
If the tungsten hammer is no better than the default one then why sell it at all? Is it just a marketing ploy to trick people into thinking it's better? Tungsten is heavier than whatever the default one is made of so this means it hits harder? How big is the difference? Are we talking 5%? 10%?
Is it one of those things were we believe it's better because it's an upgrade and an expensive (for what it is) one at that?
TLDR: FX failed to address the 2 most obvious problems with the Impact and instead rely on after market addons to fix these problems.
Having a highly customizable platform with many after market addons to fit any niche/specialization a user might have is good and all but when the aftermarket addons start to feel mandatory there is a problem...
They should have lowered the price of the rifle by $€500 to compensate for not providing a flawless rifle by default.
Considering the pure greed that is the DRS Pro there is no way FX would do this though...
But then again... what do I know...
From what I've seen and read about the M4 it's probably a 91% on my scale for perfection.
To me the airmarksman backbone and saber tactical arca rail are mandatory upgrades. The backbone fixes the flex/wobble in the rifle by making it rigid and the st arca rail speaks for itself as what the rifle comes with is basically useless.
They do say they have strengthened the rifle but I'm still willing to bet there will be a slight flex/wobble thought it might be a bit less than the M3.
Having aftermarket parts available for your platform is great as it means other manufacturers will promote your product with their addons.
The problem starts when these addons start feeling mandatory...
From the trade info and product sheets I have received for my store I have not seen any FX made extended top rails or trigger guard arca/picatinny extensions.
A pet peeve of mine is the tungsten hammer. Is a tungsten hammer better than the default for both pellet and slugs? If it is then why not make it the default hammer in the rifle? It's a $€1 part that's sold for $€30-40 in what to me feels like a penny pinching move similar to mobile games developers who shove micro transactions in your face at every chance they get.
If the tungsten hammer is no better than the default one then why sell it at all? Is it just a marketing ploy to trick people into thinking it's better? Tungsten is heavier than whatever the default one is made of so this means it hits harder? How big is the difference? Are we talking 5%? 10%?
Is it one of those things were we believe it's better because it's an upgrade and an expensive (for what it is) one at that?
TLDR: FX failed to address the 2 most obvious problems with the Impact and instead rely on after market addons to fix these problems.
Having a highly customizable platform with many after market addons to fit any niche/specialization a user might have is good and all but when the aftermarket addons start to feel mandatory there is a problem...
They should have lowered the price of the rifle by $€500 to compensate for not providing a flawless rifle by default.
Considering the pure greed that is the DRS Pro there is no way FX would do this though...
But then again... what do I know...
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I think they should come as a slug gun, liner, prob, hammer. That appears to be what they were designed for.
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Yeah, I was going to add to it but decided to leave it be. @MadCowCrazy2 pretty much said the rest of my thoughts. Byt in reality this isn't meant for us who have had and still have an m2 or m3 because it's more than likely modded to hell. This continues to feel like a platform for new guys getting into an fx, or if you have a bone stock m2.
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They just should have mentioned why they had the backbones on the guns in the video. Maybe they did and I missed it ? Just kind of negates the upgraded top of the M4 otherwise as my first thought was if the m4 is so improved in that area why the airmarksman rails right out of the gate? Now I get why but many more people will watch that video than will read this thread.
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Also…I think it was Utah’s other m4 video (not positive it was them) that kept referring to the gun coming in colors. Used the term colors more than once. I’m curious is this eluding to FX maybe releasing more color options in the future than copper ??
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question,how many calibers does the ..extended or 800 mm barrel come in or just the 35 cal?
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Yes - it was mentioned in our video. Justin referred to colors as in the copper and black options
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You can get it as is in the 35 - if you want the 800mm .22 cal for example, you can get a barrel kit for it, same process as with the M3
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The backbones aren't necessary to have a great experience with the M4 - the reason we use them on pretty much every impact is because we need the extra mounting solution for night vision / thermal clip on units. The new factory top rail for the M4 is significantly better than previous models, we are very happy with it!
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Most of the customer base that buys an impact actually uses them strictly for pellet purposes - ourselves included. It would be cool if you could purchase as is a setup ready to go slugger. If you call us, we can always build/tune/sight it for you.
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Utah Airguns does some pretty awesome cerakote jobs. They can probably make it whatever color you want.So no other ones are in the making ?
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