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In search of perfect benchrest scores

This write-up describes the approach I took to improve my benchrest scores. It might help some of you who want to do the same. I found some interesting ways to tighten groupings. And I went down some rabbit holes that yielded no gains.

I shoot 25 meter USARB benchrest in the heavy varmint class (20 FPE max). I use an unregulated USFT and had been shooting decent scores; my cards averaged 244 out of 250 possible points. But those resulted in average 3-card scores in the 723 to 738 range, good for no better than middle-of-the-pack rankings at our local matches.

I wanted to do better. Last summer, when I switched from a .177 barrel to a .20 barrel, I also started a quest to modify the gun and set-up to get my scores higher.

After trying many things, I now am getting to the point where the gun performs well. At a recent match I shot 248 and 249 point cards. Along with a 244 first card, my score was 741, only the second time I’ve ever reached 740, and the first time with this gun. This level of performance puts me in range of our club’s best shooters.

Below I’ve described some of the changes that improved accuracy and some that didn’t work. I tested by shooting at our local outdoor range, using a Randolph front rest and a Protektor rear bag. I shot each pellet at a separate bull that was printed on millimeter graph paper. I recorded the x, y coordinates for each shot to calculate average spreads, standard deviations, CTCs, etc. I only used data from shots made in windless conditions, i.e., essentially no movement of the streamers on my wind flags. (1 to 2 mph wind can move the POI 1 to 2 millimeters and I’m looking for improvements in the tenths of a mm.) About 1500 shots were used in this work. The process was not planned out at the beginning, so a fair amount of interpretation was needed to reach conclusions from massive amounts of data.



Category 1:
Factors that are important and can improve precision. Most of these are typical and are necessary but not sufficient to achieve consistently tight groups. One or two are less conventional but got me over the hump towards tight groups:

++++ Pellet choice. In my .20 caliber LW chrome moly barrel, the JSB 13.7s shoot far better than H&Ns and JSB 15.9s

+++ Ideal FPS, reservoir pressure, hammer spring, transport port restrictor. In my unregulated USFT, I would shoot a string of pellets starting at a high pressure for a given hammer spring tension and fully open transfer port, and plot x and y deviation, and FPS, as pressure fell. I would identify pressure ranges and HS settings where deviations changed very little across 10+ shots, and note the FPS range of these. I found I got the lowest deviations when FPS ranged from 780-800 FPS, and with reservoir pressure starting at around 1250-1300 psi. For accurate shooting I would fine tune the HS tension to get 790 FPS at that starting psi, and refill to that pressure level after every 10-15 shots. I keep the pressure range narrow because I found as pressure fell, the POI’s would move slightly to the right.

+++ Barrel work. I was getting periodic fliers of 5 to 8 mm. This would drop the score on a target to a 9 or 8. It might happen once or twice a card, but it also put a nagging and unhelpful concern in my mind about whether it will happen on the next shot. In another thread, I described the barrel lapping that @nervoustrig did on this barrel that has eliminated these random fliers.

++ Figuring out how to clean and condition the barrel and lube pellets. After nervoustrig’s work, the fliers stopped but the spreads grew. Only after a lot of experimentation did I find that I needed to stop frequently pulling wet patches (I use WD-40) through the barrel. After a wet patch cleaning, I need well over 150 shots before groups retighten. Even a dry patch clean needs 30+ shots. (My first card described above had several 9’s in the first 12 shots due to not getting enough fouling shots/sighters in before starting on the targets. Lesson learned.) And I lube pellets (with WD-40) because without lube I found lead particles in the pull through cleaning patches.

++ Stabilizing the action through the shot. I placed a tube filled partway with mercury on each side of the hammer spring housing. In theory, it reduces the vibration caused by the hammer banging against the top of the valve as the valve stem is depressed. See picture.
Mercury tubes and shorter hammer spring on USFT.JPG


++ Taking pre-tension off the hammer to reduce hammer bounce. USFT’s OEM hammer springs are in compression even when the gun is not cocked. I was concerned that this could result in multiple valve openings as the hammer bounces back and forth between being pushed back by the valve/stem closing and the compression from the hammer spring. I replaced the OEM hammer spring with a stronger but shorter spring, so when the hammer is not cocked there are about 4 millimeters of free play between the valve stem and the start of compressing the hammer spring. (Also in that same picture.)

+ Sorting for pellet weight to the tenth of a grain. Tests with other guns showed a couple of tenths of a mm vertical height decline as pellet weight increased by 0.1 grain. I have not repeated this yet with this gun and pellet but for now I sort pellets.



Category 2:
Changes that hurt grouping sizes

- Putting weights on the buttstock. I tried 2 and 3 pound weights on top of or under the butt. (I also tried placing the front rest at different points along the forearm. This also hurt groups.) The takeaway is that gun balance in the front and rear rest is important, but I haven’t yet found anything that improves on the base case set-up.

- Attaching mercury tubes to the barrel. But I might look at this some more.

- Putting pellets through a sizer.

- Treating pellets. Poor group sizes were found by:

--- Applying HiTek thermoset coating to the pellets. The coating thickness likely varied pellet to pellet.

--- Applying PTFE powder or HBN powder to the outside of pellets. Powder treatments were applied using a rolling ball mill. These resulted in finding lots of lead particles on wet patches when cleaning the barrel.

--- Applying Nanoslick (tungsten disulfide) to the pellets. This resulted in wide groups but also low FPS (as PTFE and HBN also did). But the high probability of inconsistent application will keep me from doing any more work with all pellet treatments.


Category 3:
Factors that seemed to make little or no difference or did not work (yet). I might look at these further but no success so far. Over 150 shots are needed to be able to conclude whether an improvement of 0.5 mm in grouping size as a result of a change is statistically significant. So it might not be worth investing a lot of time to further pursue these.

o Adding weights to the barrel. I calculated the location of antinodes for the barrel and put 50 gram collars in those positions. I used up to 12 collars. It appears that the use of the weights tighten vertical spread a bit but they widen horizontal spread.

o Using a tuner or moderators at the muzzle. I tried an FX tuner and several different moderators.

o Using lighter or heavier pellets in the range of 13.6 to 13.9 grains.

o Changing depth of pellet insertion into the barrel. I got slightly better groups when I pushed the pellet about 5 mm into the barrel compared to shorter distances, using an adjustable TR Robb pellet seater. So I use that distance for now but want to check alternative distances.

o Applying graphite powder to the outside of pellets or the inside of the barrel. Since carbon often builds up from shots and doesn’t normally hurt groupings, I thought maybe a graphite treatment of the barrel and/or pellets would be helpful. FPS fell a lot (as it did with the PTFE and HBN) so more HS would need to be tried to give this a chance. But it is so messy and likely difficult to apply consistently that I decided to go no further.

o Rotating the barrel 180 degrees. The barrel was indexed and placed to shoot to the 12 o’clock position on the shot POI circle created as the barrel was rotated.

o Padding the top of the valve. I placed a few types of rubber and plastics around the valve stem so that the hammer would be cushioned after it pushed the valve stem down. This was an alternative or additional way to reduce vibrations from the hammer blow. But I haven’t yet found a way to get consistent FPS using this.



The journey is, of course, not finished. There are several things to look at further, as mentioned above. But fortunately the gun has reached a pretty good performance level so I’m going to proceed carefully with future changes. My biggest current concern is that the gun seems to need a lot of shots to “warm up” at the beginning of a session, so I might try replacing the Delrin poppet with a PEEK poppet which is a less malleable material.
 
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Thank you for sharing this. This is super helpful.

I and a friend of mine have spent about six months learning/perfecting our 20-25y benchrest performance and it's a long slow journey. We shoot both indoors at 20y and outdoors at 25y+. Fliers do drive us nuts. Tins of pellets make a big difference. He tested and sorted pellets for runout (holding the head and skirt on the outside, measuring runout on the inside of the skirt. This seemed to be significantly helpful but also very slow and tedious.

Sorting pellets by weight so far has not helped except maybe to cull some extremely 'off' pellets. Sorting for imperfections visible in a microscope has maybe(?) helped. I suspect that if you're lucky, the limiting quality issue in your pellets is just one or two variables and that you sort for one of those variables. I think much of the time there are many limiting quality issues and sorting all of them is either impossible or overwhelming.

Barrel fouling does seem to be significant. Shooting indoors, we found some situations where a gun would start losing accuracy and a single dry pull through would resolve it. In this regard I suspect specks of loose lead getting stuck in the barrel. I did polish one barrel using Iosso (which is to say, a very gentle polish/cleaning) and it did not seem to help nor hurt accuracy.

FWIW.
 
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Thanks all for taking the time to share all of this.

@RScott you mention you use WD-40 as a wet pull through to clean the barrel. And you mention you use it as a pellet lube. Which formula for each use?

When lubing pellets, do you shoot them immediately after lubing? Or let them sit to "dry" for a period of time?

Any info is greatly appreciated.
 
Thank you for sharing this. This is super helpful.

I and a friend of mine have spent about six months learning/perfecting our 20-25y benchrest performance and it's a long slow journey. We shoot both indoors at 20y and outdoors at 25y+. Fliers do drive us nuts. Tins of pellets make a big difference. He tested and sorted pellets for runout (holding the head and skirt on the outside, measuring runout on the inside of the skirt. This seemed to be significantly helpful but also very slow and tedious.

Sorting pellets by weight so far has not helped except maybe to cull some extremely 'off' pellets. Sorting for imperfections visible in a microscope has maybe(?) helped. I suspect that if you're lucky, the limiting quality issue in your pellets is just one or two variables and that you sort for one of those variables. I think much of the time there are many limiting quality issues and sorting all of them is either impossible or overwhelming.

Barrel fouling does seem to be significant. Shooting indoors, we found some situations where a gun would start losing accuracy and a single dry pull through would resolve it. In this regard I suspect specks of loose lead getting stuck in the barrel. I did polish one barrel using Iosso (which is to say, a very gentle polish/cleaning) and it did not seem to help nor hurt accuracy.

FWIW.
Sounds like you guys are also doing disciplined investigations. Some reactions:

- I'm now pretty convinced that "periodic fliers" are mostly caused by barrel-pellet interaction and a good barrel with decent pellets can eliminate most fliers. A) My anecdotal evidence is
1) Franklink's comparison of shooting the same pellets from his "magic" barrel versus a friend's "stinker" barrel (same make/type of barrel) in the same gun. See responses #234 and 246-248 in this link: https://www.airgunnation.com/threads/mac1-usft-analysis-overview.1044226/page-12#post-1735563
2) The elimination of fliers in my barrel after nervoustrig's lead cast lapping. See response #252 in that same link​
B) Before sending the barrel to nervoustrig, I tried polishing it with JB compound and JB brightner. No impact.

- I too have done a lot of pellet testing, with several guns, to improve POI precision, e.g., weight, head size (using pelletgage), Yrrah rolling, concentricity (using the Joker tool: https://www.airgunnation.com/threads/sorting-pellets-by-viewing.1060658/page-2#post-1108421 ). While I felt I learned a few things, I now realize that for decent measurements, I should have only used data taken in windless conditions and should have eliminated obvious fliers (of 5+mm) when using an imperfect barrel. I've had fellow club members (who shoot Thomas' and RAWs) talk about being able to judge wind and pellet affects only after getting the gun and its tune good enough to shoot consistent tiny groups in windless conditions. I've only just recently started to see what they mean by consistent small groups, so for now I can't pontificate much on topics like pellet variability. But that I can get consistent small groups with unsorted pellets has me thinking that minor pellet-to-pellet variation is not that big of a deal once you find a good brand/size pellet for the gun.
 
Wow, you're really into it. I shot 25M USARB for years with my TM1000 with a .177 polygonal barrel and JSB 13.4 gr pellets. I've learned:

1. Sort pellets by weight. When chambering a pellet and it enters the barrel with more difficulty than usual, shoot it in the dirt.
2. Clean the barrle after every card and shoot 5-10 sighters to season the barrel before shooting for record
3. Watch the wind and shoot between calm periods. Patience, patience, patience
4. Technique is very important. Gun position, trigger finger placement, cheek placement, shoulder pressure, all have to be consistent every shot. Most of the time, it's you not the gun.

Your rifle is capable of 250s. I would have stuck with the .177. Keep working on it and enjoy the experience.
 
Here's an interesting contrast for you.

This past year at the World's, the winner and new record setter in HV was Maurice Hassard. Maurice came over to pick up his gun about 2 months before the event. He had never shot air rifle BR before, but as he is primarily a Rimfire competitor (and former Rimfire World Champion) he wanted to be able to compete in air rifle as well at the Worids since he was going to be there anyway. I gave Maurice a tin of good pellets and told him
not to shoot them up before the event because he wouldn't likely have enough time to find suitable replacements. The pellets were not sorted or cleaned or anything. He just shot them from the tin. He did nothing to the gun.

The contrast is the 2nd place shooter who also was shooting one of my guns. He's also a former world champ but he's a sorter. His Thomas was also highly massaged. Every thing that could be smoothed and polished and "fixed up" inside was done to excess. I've always maintained that none of the sorting and modifications made any tangible difference, but since he's always done well he believed it was key.

Mike
 
Thanks all for taking the time to share all of this.

@RScott you mention you use WD-40 as a wet pull through to clean the barrel. And you mention you use it as a pellet lube. Which formula for each use?

When lubing pellets, do you shoot them immediately after lubing? Or let them sit to "dry" for a period of time?

Any info is greatly appreciated.
I've come to realize that the ideal cleaning and lubing regimen can vary across different barrels, so take my comments with a big grain of salt.

My general approach is to use WD-40 (original formula) for periodic maintenance cleaning of barrels and for lubing pellets. I tried a lot of different lubes and all seemed OK. While some seemed better that others in terms of time needed between cleanings and group sizes, one wasn't consistently better than others. I did realize I needed to clean barrels and lube pellets because otherwise I would get increasing group sizes and sometimes large fliers, and lead particles on patches. I settled on WD-40 because it is inexpensive, works well, and is used by others.

When doing a thorough clean of a barrel, I use Motorhead's guidance: run patches wetted with a solvent like naphtha until patches are completely clean, air dry the barrel, then coat the inside of the barrel with a wax like TreWax. (He suggests removing the barrel and warming it in an oven so the wax melts nicely.) Then shoot pellets through it which will take out the extra wax. But I've rarely needed to do such a thorough cleaning; only if I get big groupings that wet WD-40 patches don't fix. If I get a new gun with a very dirty barrel, I'll usually use brake cleaner on patches before the naphtha step.

In most of my guns/barrels, after 200 or so shots, I typically run 2 to 4 patches (using patchworms) dipped in a small container of WD-40. I use a .22 size patchworm for .177 and .20 barrels to get more grip. Also I'll use a large enough patch that it takes some effort to pull the worm/patch through the barrel. Usually the patch is quite clean after the 3rd or 4th patch. I inspect the patches for sparkly lead particles. If I see any, I get worried that I haven't properly lubed the barrel or the pellets. Then I'll run a dry patch through the barrel and start shooting again. For most of my barrels, the groups return to their normal decent performance.

I figured this process was the right one for all barrels. It worked for my LW chrome moly and SS barrels, regular grooved and polygonal. But then I had a barrel "fixed" by nervoustrig. I was getting fliers and he did a cast lead lapping that immensely improved the surface of the bore and the transition to the choke. When I got it back, the fliers were gone but the group sizes weren't good. I eventually came to realize that my WD-40 cleaning/lubing of the barrel was causing the large groupings. The barrel is now so smooth that it gets properly leaded and "carbon'd" (i.e., the black coating we see on patches) with shots and those "coatings" should not be disturbed. If spreads start to widen, I'll pull one or two dry patches, but then I need 30+ shots to get it back to tight groups. This is the only barrel I have that needs this type of treatment, but I suspect it is because my other barrels' bores aren't as well prep'd as this one.

Pellet lubing is important, I think. Even for the barrel worked on by nervoustrig, if I don't lube the pellets, I see a build-up of lead particles in the dry or wet patches I periodically pull. I have tried lots of different lubes for pellets and settled on WD-40. I first wash pellets (in warm water with a couple of drops of Dawn) and thoroughly dry them (hair dryer and air dry). In the past I put them into a tin, sprayed them with WD-40, then rolled the tin. But I've worried about getting significant amounts of liquid into the skirts. These days I use an old tin with 2 layers of foam from old tins and spray the foam with WD-40 to thoroughly saturate it. Then while shooting, I take a few pellets from their container, place them on their sides onto the lube-soaked foam, and roll them a bit with my finger, then shoot them (I use a single shot tray). This technique does not hurt group sizes and I get no lead particles on pulled patches. (I do keep a paper towel handy to wipe the lube off my fingers. Otherwise, it's not too messy a process).

I've tried lubes that dry, like Rooster Jacket and a couple of different Finish Lines. Rooster Jacket gave uneven coatings that reduced FPS and increased group sizes. I think Finish Line Dry did not prevent lead particles. So I think using a dried lubricant performs a lot like the special pellet treatments I described in my first post in this thread. I suspect the wetness of the WD-40 on pellets helps sweep lead out with the shots. I sometimes see a small amount of lube exhaust coming from the muzzle during shots.
 
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Here's an interesting contrast for you.

This past year at the World's, the winner and new record setter in HV was Maurice Hassard. Maurice came over to pick up his gun about 2 months before the event. He had never shot air rifle BR before, but as he is primarily a Rimfire competitor (and former Rimfire World Champion) he wanted to be able to compete in air rifle as well at the Worids since he was going to be there anyway. I gave Maurice a tin of good pellets and told him
not to shoot them up before the event because he wouldn't likely have enough time to find suitable replacements. The pellets were not sorted or cleaned or anything. He just shot them from the tin. He did nothing to the gun.

The contrast is the 2nd place shooter who also was shooting one of my guns. He's also a former world champ but he's a sorter. His Thomas was also highly massaged. Every thing that could be smoothed and polished and "fixed up" inside was done to excess. I've always maintained that none of the sorting and modifications made any tangible difference, but since he's always done well he believed it was key.

Mike
But what if you had given the 2nd place guy a tin of your magic pellets? 😁😁😁
 
Thomasair (Mike),

I acclaim your expertise in the airgun world, but I have to disagree with you on pellet sorting. I've tested time and again sorted/inspected pellets vs the s--t out of the tin and there is a difference in accuracy. When precision shooting, the difference between a 9 and a 10 on the target sometimes is only different by a hair. I've posted this target several times on this forum and will do it again just to make a point. When a pellet's weight can be up to 1 percent different than the rest, it will fly differently. This is just one variable that I like to mitigate or eliminate. I don't generally inspect dimensionally, but I'm sensitive to loading. If a pellet goes into the chamber with more difficulty than usual, I shoot it in the dirt because it certainly will be a flyer.

Pellet inspection test.jpg
33.95 JSB.JPG
 
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Ya...I've seen all the tests and short term proofs I care to see.

Maybe sorting makes mediocre pellets better. I don't care about mediocre pellets. You will never make great pellets better by sorting and you will never reach the level of great pellets by sorting mediocre ones.

This same thing goes on in the Rimfire world too. I think this was actually brought up for current world champ Pedro to discuss. He told the guys that sorting Rimfire ammo was a waste of time versus just finding the best ammo.

There will always be sorters. When a sorter wins something it's always super significant. When they get beaten by guys that don't...that is never any significance to them. Nothing will change.

Mike
 
I've come to realize that the ideal cleaning and lubing regimen can vary across different barrels, so take my comments with a big grain of salt.

My general approach is to use WD-40 (original formula) for periodic maintenance cleaning of barrels and for lubing pellets. I tried a lot of different lubes and all seemed OK. While some seemed better that others in terms of time needed between cleanings and group sizes, one wasn't consistently better than others. I did realize I needed to clean barrels and lube pellets because otherwise I would get increasing group sizes and sometimes large fliers, and lead particles on patches. I settled on WD-40 after thomasair said that is what he recommends to his Thomas air rifle customers.

When doing a thorough clean of a barrel, I use Motorhead's guidance: run patches wetted with a solvent like naphtha until patches are completely clean, air dry the barrel, then coat the inside of the barrel with a wax like TreWax. (He suggests removing the barrel and warming it in an oven so the wax melts nicely.) Then shoot pellets through it which will take out the extra wax. But I've rarely needed to do such a thorough cleaning; only if I get big groupings that wet WD-40 patches don't fix. If I get a new gun with a very dirty barrel, I'll usually use brake cleaner on patches before the naphtha step.

In most of my guns/barrels, after 200 or so shots, I typically run 2 to 4 patches (using patchworms) dipped in a small container of WD-40. I use a .22 size patchworm for .177 and .20 barrels to get more grip. Also I'll use a large enough patch that it takes some effort to pull the worm/patch through the barrel. Usually the patch is quite clean after the 3rd or 4th patch. I inspect the patches for sparkly lead particles. If I see any, I get worried that I haven't properly lubed the barrel or the pellets. Then I'll run a dry patch through the barrel and start shooting again. For most of my barrels, the groups return to their normal decent performance.

I figured this process was the right one for all barrels. It worked for my LW chrome moly and SS barrels, regular grooved and polygonal. But then I had a barrel "fixed" by nervoustrig. I was getting fliers and he did a cast lead lapping that immensely improved the surface of the bore and the transition to the choke. When I got it back, the fliers were gone but the group sizes weren't good. I eventually came to realize that my WD-40 cleaning/lubing of the barrel was causing the large groupings. The barrel is now so smooth that it gets properly leaded and "carbon'd" (i.e., the black coating we see on patches) with shots and those "coatings" should not be disturbed. If spreads start to widen, I'll pull one or two dry patches, but then I need 30+ shots to get it back to tight groups. This is the only barrel I have that needs this type of treatment, but I suspect it is because my other barrels' bores aren't as well prep'd as this one.

Pellet lubing is important, I think. Even for the barrel worked on by nervoustrig, if I don't lube the pellets, I see a build-up of lead particles in the dry or wet patches I periodically pull. I have tried lots of different lubes for pellets and settled on WD-40 because of thomasair's comment. I first wash pellets (in warm water with a couple of drops of Dawn) and thoroughly dry them (hair dryer and air dry). In the past I put them into a tin, sprayed them with WD-40, then rolled the tin. But I've worried about getting significant amounts of liquid into the skirts. These days I use an old tin with 2 layers of foam from old tins and spray the foam with WD-40 to thoroughly saturate it. Then while shooting, I take a few pellets from their container, place them on their sides onto the lube-soaked foam, and roll them a bit with my finger, then shoot them (I use a single shot tray). This technique does not hurt group sizes and I get no lead particles on pulled patches. (I do keep a paper towel handy to wipe the lube off my fingers. Otherwise, it's not too messy a process).

I've tried lubes that dry, like Rooster Jacket and a couple of different Finish Lines. Rooster Jacket gave uneven coatings that reduced FPS and increased group sizes. I think Finish Line Dry did not prevent lead particles. So I think using a dried lubricant performs a lot like the special pellet treatments I described in my first post in this thread. I suspect the wetness of the WD-40 on pellets helps sweep lead out with the shots. I sometimes see a small amount of lube exhaust coming from the muzzle during shots.
Thank you for taking the time to elaborate.
 
Here's an interesting contrast for you.

This past year at the World's, the winner and new record setter in HV was Maurice Hassard. Maurice came over to pick up his gun about 2 months before the event. He had never shot air rifle BR before, but as he is primarily a Rimfire competitor (and former Rimfire World Champion) he wanted to be able to compete in air rifle as well at the Worids since he was going to be there anyway. I gave Maurice a tin of good pellets and told him
not to shoot them up before the event because he wouldn't likely have enough time to find suitable replacements. The pellets were not sorted or cleaned or anything. He just shot them from the tin. He did nothing to the gun.

The contrast is the 2nd place shooter who also was shooting one of my guns. He's also a former world champ but he's a sorter. His Thomas was also highly massaged. Every thing that could be smoothed and polished and "fixed up" inside was done to excess. I've always maintained that none of the sorting and modifications made any tangible difference, but since he's always done well he believed it was key.

Mike
As Mike knows, I used to weigh, sort, clean, roll, head gauge, all my pellets. I gotta tell you that my best scores have been out of the tin (a good tin). Taking the time it takes to sort, etc and using that time to really focus on learning to shoot different wind conditions well I think is the key to good scores.
 
Barrel barrel barrel.

My barrel count is 40+ right now. A couple have been exceptional, some have been good, most have been ok, a few have been junk, so typical bell curve that applies to just about everything.

The exceptional barrels are much less picky about what batch of pellets they're shooting.

I'm told that some guys are capable of making a bad barrel a good one, or making a good barrel an exceptional one. This barrel prep knowledge has to be extremely hard-earned, as I've spent a lot of money and a lot of time and still don't know why some are magic and some are stinkers. I just know that some ARE magic, and some ARE stinkers.

The magic ones don't require sorted pellets.