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Coinwa said:
“A hunters value in population control is negligible.”

That may be one of the dumber comments I’ve ever read on a forum.
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What's up your nose buddy?

If you have a point to make, make it. If you have problems with my statement then refute it. Throwing insults just makes your comments as worthless as the ones you disagree with.

In some cases with some species hunter pressure is equal to predation. In general, most invasive species are not affected by hunting. It's a statistical fact.

If you think hunting invasive species has resulted in the decline of that species give me an example. We have a whole list of invasive species here. Show me one where hunting has even been a factor. There are a few. If you can name one we can discuss (without insults) why.

Or we can trade barbs. I'm good at that too. Either way you want to go hotshot.
 
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Head-Smashed-In Buffalo Jump Interpretive Centre is a UNESCO-designated World Heritage Site that preserves and interprets over 6,000 years of Plains Buffalo culture. Through vast landscapes, exhibits, and diverse programming, learn about the cultural significance of this cliff to the Plains People.

All these years I have been lied too? All along it has always been the Bison?

Where is my safe place? :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
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Where do American bison live?​


Bison were once found from Alaska to northern Mexico, primarily in the grasslands and prairies of North America. Today, they occupy only about 1 percent of their former range.


Herds can be found in parts of Alberta, British Columbia, Manitoba, Northwest Territories, Ontario and Saskatchewan in Canada, as well as Arizona, California, Idaho, Montana, South Dakota, Utah, Wyoming, Alaska and possibly Texas in the U.S. These modern herds are very fragmented, and their distribution is limited.
 
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Up my nose?

You’re the one with pompous post.

“Hunters” are the ONLY method of population management for invasive species. That is not debatable. It’s overall “effectiveness” can be debated, but they are the only ones providing any “value” at all.

So…. You’re saying, if we leave invasive species alone, they’ll eventually go away, or their populations will plateau/decline?

To quote Pete: “that don’t make no kinda sense…”

Wonder what the deer population would look like if we just left them alone?

Or…. Do hunters not impact that either?

Do you trap mice in your home?

Do you eat them?

They’re not “invasive”…. so why kill them?

Look…. It wasn’t a “barb”…. what you said was both condescending AND off-base. I think if you hop off your high-horse, you’d be able to see that.

You can hunt/shoot however you want… but right now you sound like a bamboo fly-rod toting Filson hatted purist standing in the river telling the guy with the spinning-rod and spinner how he’s not a real fisherman.
 
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coastal drifter said:
sorry if I hurt your feelings....NOT! lol. Kill all you like it's your choice I choose not to in this case
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You do realize you quoted yourself? 🤣

I took wiped out as extinct. Usually they're synonymous.

Unless you're talking about wiping out your backside... then everything that comes out of there is definitely extinct!
 
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If it's invasive and causes harm or stress to other natives species, or our ecosystem, then I take it upon myself to remove them. In my case I know iguanas are for the most part here to stay due to how many eggs they lay. That doesn't mean that I shouldn't do my psrt in controling their numbers when they don't have many predators, and each year they only get smarter. For the most part I will leave the basilisks alone, unless I see then hanging about with iguanas.
 
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JaceSpace1369 said:
If it's invasive and causes harm or stress to other natives species, or our ecosystem, then I take it upon myself to remove them. In my case I know iguanas are for the most part here to stay due to how many eggs they lay. That doesn't mean that I shouldn't do my psrt in controling their numbers when they don't have many predators, and each year they only get smarter. For the most part I will leave the basilisks alone, unless I see then hanging about with iguanas.
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Whole new meaning to lounge lizards!
 
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Coinwa said:
Up my nose?

You’re the one with pompous post.

“Hunters” are the ONLY method of population management for invasive species. That is not debatable. It’s overall “effectiveness” can be debated, but they are the only ones providing any “value” at all.

So…. You’re saying, if we leave invasive species alone, they’ll eventually go away, or their populations will plateau/decline?

To quote Pete: “that don’t make no kinda sense…”

Wonder what the deer population would look like if we just left them alone?

Or…. Do hunters not impact that either?

Do you trap mice in your home?

Do you eat them?

They’re not “invasive”…. so why kill them?

Look…. It wasn’t a “barb”…. what you said was both condescending AND off-base. I think if you hop off your high-horse, you’d be able to see that.

You can hunt/shoot however you want… but right now you sound like a bamboo fly-rod toting Filson hatted purist standing in the river telling the guy with the spinning-rod and spinner how he’s not a real fisherman.
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You are just looking for a fight. Your not that great at it. It's a personal attack. Nothing more.

My post was clear. Hunters are not a major factor in controlling invasive species. Even the ones that make good targets. Any biologist will back that up.

You are wrong about hunters being the only control. That's just ridiculous. If you actually believe that then there is no use explaining the giant efforts involved in this. To think that hunters are even a small part of the effort is naieve.

Yes I kill mice. I use traps and poison because shooting them is not effective control. This is the case with every animal you want to control. You obviously have never had to do pest control for any reason besides sport. If you had you would know this.

Hunters take a few problem animals and that's great. But they are not and never will be an effective means of controlling an invasive species even if that species makes a good target. Most don't.

I'm not judging anyone for their choices. You can kill anything you want and I just don't give two squirts.

The conversation was skewed the instant the OP said he chose not to shoot a lizard. Everyone is suddenly a biologist. When I agreed with him and offered my opinion you attacked me for it. I realize a differing opinion really bothers some guys. But that is just something that you are going to have to deal with on your own time. I will admit the fact that it bothers you does bring me some satisfaction. For that I thank you.

My opinions are not going to change and I'm not trying to change yours. I'm simply asking you politely to stop your insults and BS. If you want a debate then let's have a respectful one. Otherwise we should simply agree to disagree and go shoot a pellet gun.
 
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TN_Yankee said:
I don’t understand this - when there are “enough to shoot” it will be much harder to get rid of them.
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Same issue I have with dummies that ensure that the wild hog population in Texas survives. They’re a problem, stop feeding them and allow people to kill as many as possible. WTF are you doing feeding insavie species?
 
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Ezana4CE said:
Same issue I have with dummies that ensure that the wild hog population in Texas survives. They’re a problem, stop feeding them and allow people to kill as many as possible. WTF are you doing feeding insavie species?
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Feeding invasive species should be a crime just like feeding the bears at Yellowstone. Or molesting alligators. First time I saw that sign I took it very wrong!
 
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Coinwa said:
Tough to see us peasants…. from way up there.

I guess I should tell all the landowners who love me, and appreciate my willingness/ability to actually have an effect of their populations of pests on their land…. That they are wrong.
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He's meaning on a grander scale. You popping pests on a farm is less than a drop in the bucket in the end. If you're noticing less pests at the farms, it's not that you dropped their numbers significantly. They just wised up and moved out of range, out of sight, or over to another spot. If you were to stop shooting them, they'd be right back and in the same numbers as before.

That being said, keep killing as many as you can lol.
 
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He said “hunters provide little value”….

That’s absolutely NOT true.

I, and other “hunters”, provide the only true value there is. Ask the landowners.

Hunters, includes ALL hunters: backyard pesters, landowner-permission shooters, professional exterminators, gov’t hunters, etc.

Again, I ask, are we to simply let them be and hope they go away?
 
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