Is Hatsan 95 Vortex Gas Piston Quiet Energy the way to go?

Is the Hatsan 95 Vortex Gas Piston Quiet Energy a good choice for my desires below? Anything else you would recommend as an improvement??
  • $200 budget (or thereabouts)
  • Main use will be critter control (e.g. squirrels, rabbits, etc.)
  • Shot in the back yard (dense suburb
  • Max range 20 yards
  • Relatively quiet due to location
  • A quality feel (my Crossman 760 shoots fine, but feels really cheap)
  • A scope for increased accuracy
  • No "artillery holds"....my experience is with firearms (I don't think I would like the feel of a traditional springer)

I think this means I want:
  • 22 caliber (additional power over 177)
  • Gas Piston (less weird twisting/forward recoil)
  • A suppressor on the end of the barrel


 
Sorry, joelrsails, but Deja is correct. The gas rams have less torquing and a smoother cycle, to hear Tom Gaylord and the rest of the Prophets of Air tell it, but there is still the recoil to deal with. Have you considered a Benjamin 392? That multi-pump in .22 has the power to take down the critters you name, can vary in power based on the strokes you employ and the pellets you choose, is within your budget, and is backyard-friendly if you keep the number of pumps to 4 or 5. I believe, based on the chrony reports given over the past couple of years for that gun, that you'll still have the velocity (and therefore the FPE at impact) for the small pests. And believe me, the 392 is easily accurate enough out to 20 yards for the job.
 
As noted: artillery hold is mandatory on any piston gun, gas or spring. I'm commenting because I am also shooting in a fairly dense environment and I went with a breakbarrel (Hatsan 125 Vortex QE .22) at the beginning. I found myself dissapointed. It was not the gun itself, which performed as advertised. It was that as a noob, I really didn't have a good understanding of what I was getting into with issues like artillery hold, screws and pins that shake loose, sound moderaton and safety.

The 125 is a bit more powerful than the 95, but I can report to you that the QE system on the 125 was NOT quiet enough for a dense suburb. The 95 is a similar gun with a moderator on the barrel but no shroud. In my case, there was a high enough pitch to the pop, that it was obvious someone was shooting something. In addition, I learned the artillery hold using a table and sandbag and got groups to tighten up some. Regardless, I found I could not be "headshot" accurate at 20 yards once deployed in the real world, (ie aiming up in trees at wild angles, down off the deck offhand, and offhand leaning against things for stability, etc.). My opinion is that headshots are mandatory, unless you want wounded pests crawling into the neighbor's children's sandbox 2-doors down. One man's "pest" is another neighbor's cuddly creature, regardless of the law. Not good. Beware. A lot of what you see on YouTube is BS.

Do youself a favor suck it up for an entry level SHROUDED PCP such as the Marauder and pump. Yes, it's more expensive. But by the time you buy a breakbarrel, get dissapointed, sell it, pay for shipping a couple of times, and upgrade anyway, you'll be ahead.

PCP's at the level of power you are looking for are accurate, and quiet. Breakbarrels not so much. It's just a fact of life.

New this year is the Umarex Gauntlet, which looks interesting and is not terribly expensive, while being shrouded AND regulated: http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Umarex_Gauntlet_PCP_Air_Rifle_Synthetic_Stock/4311/8328 I do not have any direct experience but like the reviews I've read. Might be pretty difficult to pump up that large reservior however.

You could also look at the Benjamin Discovery and Maximus, which are less expensive, and very easy to pump. However they REQUIRE an aftermarket moderator to get where you need to be sound-wise: http://www.tko22.com/ These moderators are about $60 and require installation. I've played with a Discovery. It's adequate.

Less powerful is the Benjamin Marauder Pistol or PRod (12-ft lbs) set up in its carbine configuration. It has a shroud, but no baffles, so there is a bit of a ping or crack to the report that is not quite deadened enough for my needs. It's also getting farther beyond what you want to pay.

A note on safety in dense areas. All these guns are DANGEROUS and can do damage to neighbor's property, pets or (God forbid) kids. Moving up to .22 with some power, even more so. Your backstop cannot just be your privacy fence. You MUST have a 100% safe backstop and a clear zone beyond it in case there are mistakes. You must assume there WILL BE mistakes. Even shooting down into dirt must be measured against the possiblity of riccochet depending on your angle and rocks/debris and such. This makes popping pests in the enviornment you describe, and in which I live, a significant issue. Obviously, shooting at high angles guarantees that pellet will fall off your property. It's not a good idea, even though its obvious a lot of people do it. Please be mindful.

 
Thanks for all the feedback!

I had thought that the gas piston eliminated the recoil problem and need for special holding technique (e.g springer); but it sounds clear that I was mistaken. I see myself feeling the same frustration that FlexWagtail describes, if I am not able to shoot it accurately when in a less-than-ideal stance or position. Hmmmm.....feeling like the Hatsan may not be the right choice....

PCP would be fun....but I am afraid it is pushing beyond the levels of budget and complexity that I am hoping for here.

I am going to do some more reading to see if a 22 multi-pumper (like the suggested 392) might be a better choice.

Thanks again!







 
Reply to FlexWagtail:

This is a solid, informative post, IMO. I hope the OP takes your sage advice. But moderators/silencers are ILLEGAL in Canada and the US. You can find yourself in deep poop if you get caught with an add-on. 


As best I can recall, if the suppressor is an integral part of the gun and cannot be removed, you might get away with it.

Safe shooting.