Is JSAR still open?

i bought three aluminum air tubes from JSAR and they were not machined correctly and WILL NOT hold air.i talked to travis whitney four different times from using different methods of contact and each time he said "oh its the first time hearing that".they have a huge fan base at GTA.now like many i stuck with their poopty products.i realize travis whitney is no longer with them,i wonder why?so i glad i only out three hundred+ dollars instead of three thousand dollars.the rifles they produced are to good to be true and we not what that means...


TRAVIS Whitney is the whole issue here. He has his "fan base" over at GTA. All you need to do is a little research and see how he works. He's a "salesman" plain and simple. How many business's has he run into the ground? He pumped everybody up with this Raptor and it clearly wasn't ready for production. Now people have paid and some have gotten products and other are still waiting. A big number of those who got product are having issues................................and he BAILS out. Retired I heard? And then back into another venture..............

BTW - I also wound up needing a Kral sear and the one I got from them (only place in town) was machined horrible, would not fit into the gun. I did some work on it and got it working. Would have been really pissed if I was handy. Most complaints on the forums were quashed due to sponsorship. Now I hear he "owns" another forum? Shameful

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It seemed they had been doing better with this type of issues. Keep in mind JSAR is located in Bend Oregon and it is a beautiful place with lots of outdoor recreation. Perhaps they are just out enjoying themselves on every one's dollars lol. I sure wish they would pull it together and become a reputable airgun company of just dip completely out of the scene.
 
Thank you for clarifying Lani. They probably don't have much recreation in central Oregon. Guess they are hard at it and just too busy to deal with customer support. Customers who already paid that is. I have no dog in this fight but tired of seeing these threads pop up every couple months. I truly hope they can get their act together or just go away for good. Good luck to those who have money tied up with them or anyone who owns their products. Best regards to ALL.
 
I had seen enough show and tell to even though I really don't like a traditional bottle gun, was about to order mini, get a shorter barrel made, and use a smaller bottle, a Raptor compact..

Then they ran out of carbon fiber bottles and were not producing guns.

I thought how do you run out of bottles when you're product is a bottle gun😅

I can see barrels needing to be machined,

various parts needing to be machined, constructed, or ordered..

But you can order 1000+ wholesale, the more you buy the better deal you're getting, and if something goes wrong, you can easily sell them, and recover on investment, literally no excuse in not having pallets in the warehouse waiting to be put to use. I knew then something was up, I went about finding another option, because I knew at that point and level of mismanagement, things were not going to end well..
 
i bought three aluminum air tubes from JSAR and they were not machined correctly and WILL NOT hold air.i talked to travis whitney four different times from using different methods of contact and each time he said "oh its the first time hearing that".they have a huge fan base at GTA.now like many i stuck with their poopty products.i realize travis whitney is no longer with them,i wonder why?so i glad i only out three hundred+ dollars instead of three thousand dollars.the rifles they produced are to good to be true and we not what that means...


TRAVIS Whitney is the whole issue here. He has his "fan base" over at GTA. All you need to do is a little research and see how he works. He's a "salesman" plain and simple. How many business's has he run into the ground? He pumped everybody up with this Raptor and it clearly wasn't ready for production. Now people have paid and some have gotten products and other are still waiting. A big number of those who got product are having issues................................and he BAILS out. Retired I heard? And then back into another venture..............

BTW - I also wound up needing a Kral sear and the one I got from them (only place in town) was machined horrible, would not fit into the gun. I did some work on it and got it working. Would have been really pissed if I was handy. Most complaints on the forums were quashed due to sponsorship. Now I hear he "owns" another forum? Shameful

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he kinda sounds like a....tote-your-note car salesman.....💩
 
Indeed purchasing a forum ( GTA ) that contains in RECORD of all the years of posts & statements made between 2 manufactures involvement with the salesmanship & narratives spoken ... then DELETE it all is indeed less than owning it or any degree of transparency of whats transpired.



My My. I haven't been over there is quite some time. Didn't realize he was deleting stuff. I guess he didn't want people being able to hold him to "His word". Guess that shows what his word is worth.

I have been seeing quite a few new names here that I recognize from when I was over there. Guess people are realizing how he is, and are moving away from GTA.
 
First I need to to apologize to Bear, it was not you, I became proud of my state working as a state trooper and when idiots run down beautiful places like our pacific NW in absolute ignorance, over stupid talking points, It puts me on the fight.

Now for my rant.

I have written and deleted this post on 2 threads and erased it 3 or 4 times.

The other thread is about the Fx Wildcat not not making the advertised power and me wondering if they knew this when they shipped them and if they plan on fixing the problem on the existing under performing guns.

Fact is, our sport is overrun with Fraud.

My first adult airgun purchase was off the AA and I got ripped off, paid 400 bucks, total loss, the AA has not changed in those 10 years.

At that time and place in airgun history a Philippine company was taking orders and deposits on another scam, and many were ripped off.

At the same time the 22 Mrod was being sold with bad barrels, Crosman knew this and replaced disgruntled customers poor shooting barrels with the same crap and continued doing it long after we all knew what was going on. Not learning from their mistake Crosman tried to push the Rogue on us knowing full well it was also a turd.

This action led to a cottage industry replacing those bad barrels whch gave us the like of Jim Gaska who can only be described saying Jim is a honest and productive guy. But many others got in on the game that may or may not be described as honest.

Ten years have gone by and we are all in the same situation again. Diana is selling guns that we dismiss the poor quality of workmanship by calling it a “Barrel lottery.” Hatsan, Kral to name just a few are producing guns that should never have left the factory, and FX just released the above mentioned Wildcat 3 which us 20 FPE off of asvertised velocity according to a thread playing out here as I write this. And we have airgunners who have bought and paid for a hole in the ground once again. And AA Classifieds has not changed except the scammer are making inroads on our forum classifieds.

Sometimes it is pure fraud, at times poor business practices, sometimes it is factors we did not count on in life like Covid19 and death, Jack Haley and his business were affected by the latter, and I still mourn that personal loss.

But other examples border on fraudulent behavior.

If when you know your business is circling the drain, don’t take deposits or orders on guns you know will never exist. If you produce a airgun or valve or any other product with flaws, admit it, remedy the problem, fix the past items under warrantee and move on, customers will follow and industry will take notice. If your factory has poor quality control don’t just keep on pumping out flawed products, fire the buns and fix the problem.

If your parts supply dries up because workers are getting sick and dying in crowded factories, explain it to your customers, they see the news reports and will understand, but don’t expect others to die for your bottom line, and don’t criticize people and places who follow history, science and fact.

So once again here we are, not reading history, not informing others of turds we have bought, Doing it to ourselves and all the newbies that will come after us.

Regards,


Roachcreek
 
First I need to to apologize to Bear, it was not you, I became proud of my state working as a state trooper and when idiots run down beautiful places like our pacific NW in absolute ignorance, over stupid talking points, It puts me on the fight.

Now for my rant.

I have written and deleted this post on 2 threads and erased it 3 or 4 times.

The other thread is about the Fx Wildcat not not making the advertised power and me wondering if they knew this when they shipped them and if they plan on fixing the problem on the existing under performing guns.

Fact is, our sport is overrun with Fraud.

My first adult airgun purchase was off the AA and I got ripped off, paid 400 bucks, total loss, the AA has not changed in those 10 years.

At that time and place in airgun history a Philippine company was taking orders and deposits on another scam, and many were ripped off.

At the same time the 22 Mrod was being sold with bad barrels, Crosman knew this and replaced disgruntled customers poor shooting barrels with the same crap and continued doing it long after we all knew what was going on. Not learning from their mistake Crosman tried to push the Rogue on us knowing full well it was also a turd.

This action led to a cottage industry replacing those bad barrels whch gave us the like of Jim Gaska who can only be described saying Jim is a honest and productive guy. But many others got in on the game that may or may not be described as honest.

Ten years have gone by and we are all in the same situation again. Diana is selling guns that we dismiss the poor quality of workmanship by calling it a “Barrel lottery.” Hatsan, Kral to name just a few are producing guns that should never have left the factory, and FX just released the above mentioned Wildcat 3 which us 20 FPE off of asvertised velocity according to a thread playing out here as I write this. And we have airgunners who have bought and paid for a hole in the ground once again. And AA Classifieds has not changed except the scammer are making inroads on our forum classifieds.

Sometimes it is pure fraud, at times poor business practices, sometimes it is factors we did not count on in life like Covid19 and death, Jack Haley and his business were affected by the latter, and I still mourn that personal loss.

But other examples border on fraudulent behavior.

If when you know your business is circling the drain, don’t take deposits or orders on guns you know will never exist. If you produce a airgun or valve or any other product with flaws, admit it, remedy the problem, fix the past items under warrantee and move on, customers will follow and industry will take notice. If your factory has poor quality control don’t just keep on pumping out flawed products, fire the buns and fix the problem.

If your parts supply dries up because workers are getting sick and dying in crowded factories, explain it to your customers, they see the news reports and will understand, but don’t expect others to die for your bottom line, and don’t criticize people and places who follow history science and fact.

So once again here we are, not reading history, not informing others of turds we have bought, Doing it to ourselves and all the newbies that will come after us.

Regards,


Roachcreek

How True!

Its been going on for decades. I remember back in the 90's everything was about FPS. A manufacturer would claim his springer would shoot 900 fps. Little did anyone know that was with a zinc tipped plastic pellet!

- Duke
 
I would like to apologize to Lani or anyone else I may have offended. I have only been to Oregon once in my life and it was probably the nicest place and scenery I have ever seen. That being said, well put Lani and thank you for all you have done in this hobby/addiction lol. I honestly just hate seeing what is happening. I'm a newbie and have only been around a few years now and I love this website and I also love GTA as well. There are a lot of great guys on the two forums and it has saved me a lot of headaches in the last couple years. 
 
not your problem, your just questioning active screw-ups....

i'm too a GTA member and i have witnessed it all... and i'm not ok with it.

i slowly left there after the buy-out.

all these promises, new threads and support for the video's,...what video's, what vendors ?

and what reviewers ? none of the reviewers have put new vids up since there opening posts...

come on now, a child can see where this is going.

its all held together by the travis fanboys, and there is alot for them SA follower's !!

its only a matter of time, this will play out TREMENDOUSLY !!!


 
I pretty much gave up on the GTA after the sleazy transition in ownership and all the sneaky back-door crap that went on during it. Then when I posted my dismay about what was going on, it gets deleted allonlg with all the other stuff in the Vendor section and was told it was because they were revising and consolidating the vendor area. Well, that was pure BS, someone got their panties in a wad because they were being exposed for what they actually were. I’m glad to see this is all finally coming to light here so folks know the truth. Buyer beware!