Is Troyer rating agnostic to caliber? Should it be?

[Motorhead]

As a Match Director for @ 10 years now have tried to mix and match our shooters so everyone at some point shoots with everyone else.
Generally this aids in having our average scores elevate across nearly all the shooters that rotate threw the club.
There has also been ( At club shoots ) a suggestion that after any shooter finishes there lane/s for score, IF YOUR STRUGGLING due to the wind etc ... state to your partner your taking a few extra shots. ( Now of course we don't want to hold up the flow ) But if lanes are non congested TAKE A FEW Extra SHOTS and learn what it actually takes to get a piece of the KZ. It generally comes down to the revelation of not realizing just how far outside or on the edge of KZ was / is required is those conditions. UNLESS YOU SHOOT AN GET HITS ON KZ .. your left guessing and getting frustrated !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YES ... Wind doping skill for many is the final pieces of the puzzle there missing.

This is a club match .. we're here to have fun as well learn & in this manor we also create a feeling of achievement.
The top shooters play a straight game, no mulligans no during match practice ... 60 shot match, 60 shots taken.
Something for everyone

 

[tjmac]

Scott, I am assuming, maybe I'm wrong, but the extra shots are for learning purpose, not for score? Is that correct? If so, I agree and have been doing that for the 20 years I have been match director at monthly matches. Knocking that tough target down, even if it does not count, can be a real source of encouragement and learning. I think mixing experienced shooters with new shooters, as you do, is essential for a club to grow and shooters to improve. In my early days of shooting, I sat down with Rodney Boyce, Mark Catlin, Brad Troyer, Ray Appelles, Hans Applelles, Greg Sauve, James Sumpter, Roz Sumpter, Richard Beauge from Wales and many other top shooters. Without that, I am not sure I would even still be a part of the game. What you are doing is crucial to our sport and I commend you for it.

Tim

 

[Motorhead]

As stated ( after any shooter finishes there lane/s for score )

Yes extra shots taken at target/s are in the lane just shot and practice, ONLY if and when one is struggling in figuring out how to get a piece of KZ.

 

[qball]

Even with slugs at 100 yards the wind drift variables will dwarf the difference between 22 and 30 cal.

 

[Franklink]

As stated ( after any shooter finishes there lane/s for score )

Yes extra shots taken at target/s are in the lane just shot and practice, ONLY if and when one is struggling in figuring out how to get a piece of KZ.

I'm not disagreeing with you Scott, just offering a bit of clarification.....

I think we should be careful here.....there was an AAFTA clarification a few years ago specifically about this. And the gist of it was "no practice shots." Any shot taken in a field target match counts. I think the rules even read something about any air or a broken sear (so even shots taken without a pellet loaded count as a miss).

And yes this started out as an XFT discussion but the two are so intertwined that it has gone back and forth, and they're really the same game, just greater distance and power, and of course the consolidation of all the AAFTA classes into one class in XFT (position-wise, there are pellet and slug classes in some locations).

Anybody that's got even the slightest chance of winning a match shouldn't be allowed practice shots, even if they already shot their shots for that lane. There will still be more shots that count on the next lanes, and any "feel" for the wind gives that person an unfair advantage over those who hold to the rules. In contrast, a newby, say in their first 5 matches? Sure, let them take some sighters if they're not even drawing steel, and especially if it's just a monthly club match.

 

[Motorhead]

I'm not disagreeing with you Scott, just offering a bit of clarification.....

I think we should be careful here.....there was an AAFTA clarification a few years ago specifically about this. And the gist of it was "no practice shots." Any shot taken in a field target match counts. I think the rules even read something about any air or a broken sear (so even shots taken without a pellet loaded count as a miss).

And yes this started out as an XFT discussion but the two are so intertwined that it has gone back and forth, and they're really the same game, just greater distance and power, and of course the consolidation of all the AAFTA classes into one class in XFT (position-wise, there are pellet and slug classes in some locations).

Anybody that's got even the slightest chance of winning a match shouldn't be allowed practice shots, even if they already shot their shots for that lane. There will still be more shots that count on the next lanes, and any "feel" for the wind gives that person an unfair advantage over those who hold to the rules. In contrast, a newby, say in their first 5 matches? Sure, let them take some sighters if they're not even drawing steel, and especially if it's just a monthly club match.

This is a CLUB MATCH ... while I may follow basic guidelines of AAFTA I'm is no way married to them for such "For Fun" club shoots.
Those in our ranks that shoot outside the Club Sand Box know the rules and abide by them. We also state in our shooters meetings such "Extra" shots are not allowed or legal in sanctioned AAFTA shooting venues.

I'm even going to leave AAFTA guidelines more so in the future for Club Shoots, freestyle / unlimited, some offhand using a standing bipod etc for the old guys or cripples ... Most of the club shoot guys could care less about AAFTA rules etc .... so we fudge to keep all happy and coming back

NOW at a Sanctioned AAFTA event be it GP or Nationals etc .... ( Which I've also been a MD ) By the RULE BOOK 100% with No exceptions and on that we CAN AGREE.

 

[Franklink]

@Motorhead, I know that you know, but there will be many who read these discussions that don't know.

I thought it prudent to make that clear to those who are new to field target.

FT isn't like benchrest where you get to shoot and see where it goes, and then take a shot that counts, and I would personally like it to stay that way. In my opinion, a huge part of being successful in field target is knowing where that shot is going to go before it is taken (practice or prep or whatever it gets called).

 

[Motorhead]

@Motorhead, I know that you know, but there will be many who read these discussions that don't know.

I thought it prudent to make that clear to those who are new to field target.

FT isn't like benchrest where you get to shoot and see where it goes, and then take a shot that counts, and I would personally like it to stay that way. In my opinion, a huge part of being successful in field target is knowing where that shot is going to go before it is taken (practice or prep or whatever it gets called).

Indeed ... our hopes are that those in the clubs small sand box will take the next step and shoot at other venues. ( Bigger sand box ) All we can do at Club shoots is provide the miens too not only learn the game of FT, but also give a wider birth in being able to learn what it takes to knock down targets under adverse conditions. CONFIDENCE is so damn important so teaching folks to shoot better is key IMO
If we were Anal on sticking to rules so that learning became a drawn out year after year learning exercise many would simply not return to try try try