It's a BIG thing......really!

This post could be put in any number of forum related topics, including hunting, but i thought i would put it in the General catch all place because it really does apply to all airgun disciplines. Two months back I started a similar albeit less informed thread called "reading the wind".

In short - It's The Wind dummy.

For the last few years (and many many air rifles and scopes later) i have been doing my best to UP MY GAME; you know, become a better shooter.
So much of my time, and money was wasted on the "its the Arrow" (gun and or scope) argument Vice paying attention to me the Marksman.

In field target you get scored on a hit or a miss... so you never develop a true sense of (how much you missed) X or 0 that's it.
In Bench Rest, you get a numerical score that equates to a much more precise understanding of how well you hit or miss.
And if you want to keep records, you can begin to chart your improvement, or lack thereof.
In my case my field target score cards over a two year period (regardless of airgun scope combo) indicated i wasn't doing much better than 52%, regardless of my chosen gear.

For the last two months I have been laid up from left hand surgery. This forced me (out of boredom) to play with my lightest cheapest gun scope option, a Crosman HFT Challenger. It was resting on my bench and i was shooting strictly from indoor to out door from 10 yards to 80 yards and i was focused on <20 FPE pellet weight and speeds.
You would think i would be hitting much more KZ's from a bench as in better than the 52% stated above. NOT! This was so frustrating i didn't even bother trying to shoot offhand.

What gives?

Well, out of ignorance or pure stubborn willfulness i wasn't using and or applying all the tools and info i had at my disposal.
So i began to set out wind flags and strings and study the wind and watch how it affected my Point of Impact.
Then i started to apply the info from my Rose Chart and began to watch how using all of that info changed my POI compared to my it point of aim.
WOWZA!
Within just two sessions, with my least expensive rifle scope combo, my KZ scores jumped to 88%.
I was Still on the bench with a bum hand but something was definitely working.

As my hand continued healing i had several opportunities to shoot outside FT sessions; using a bucket and sticks (bipod) guess what.
Using this new to me wind game info my KZ hits remained at 80 plus %. Hey we are on to something.

So it doesn't matter if your shooting exploding golfballs, punching paper, knocking over field targets or trying to dispatch an animal in a humane manner... your time investment in learning how wind effects your shot is time well spent.
it's the WIND!
 
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I'm glad you further advanced your wind skills.

Yep.
Just imagine how well someone like Mike N of Thomas Airguns understands this! I was at his place a few years back and he showed me a clump/clumps of lead he'd remover from his dirt back stop, it pretty much filled a 5 gallon bucket and that was only the clumps. Hundreds of thousands of pellets and slugs worth of lead.

He sent me a pic earlier this week of his 250/24x N50 target! Wow! That's what you call experience.

Last weekend I was at the Temecula Challenge and it was windy the first day of the match but was much more windy, 10 to mid 20's throughout Sundays match. Rather than guessing where to aim I relied on what my ballistic app gave me for windage based on my best guess of speed and wind angle. I set my ETR 15-60 on 40x so MOA was correct and aimed out FAR at whatever MOA the app stated, sometimes off the entire target, and farther than I would have thought according to my intuition. I guess the WFTF shooters are used to aiming out that far but I'm not. It was weird aiming 3/4" off the left edge of a smaller KZ to drop the target at 20Y which was a new one on me, and about as weird as 4-5" at 55y. There were only a few targets this day that were positioned almost directly downwind that I didn't need to aim out of the KZ for.
Anyway the strategy payed off.
 
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I'm glad you further advanced your wind skills.

Yep.
Just imagine how well someone like Mike N of Thomas Airguns understands this! I was at his place a few years back and he showed me a clump/clumps of lead he'd remover from his dirt back stop, it pretty much filled a 5 gallon bucket and that was only the clumps. Hundreds of thousands of pellets and slugs worth of lead.

He sent me a pic earlier this week of his 250/24x N50 target! Wow! That's what you call experience.

Last weekend I was at the Temecula Challenge and it was windy the first day of the match but was much more windy, 10 to mid 20's throughout Sundays match. Rather than guessing where to aim I relied on what my ballistic app gave me for windage based on my best guess of speed and wind angle. I set my ETR 15-60 on 40x so MOA was correct and aimed out FAR at whatever MOA the app stated, sometimes off the entire target, and farther than I would have thought according to my intuition. I guess the WFTF shooters are used to aiming out that far but I'm not. It was weird aiming 3/4" off the left edge of a smaller KZ to drop the target at 20Y which was new one on me, and about as weird as 4-5" at 55y. There were only a few targets this day that were positioned almost directly downwind that I didn't need to aim out of the KZ for.
Anyway the strategy payed off.
which ballistic app do you find most helpful? and how do you account for gusts?
 
which ballistic app do you find most helpful? and how do you account for gusts?

I use the old app called SHOOTER.

One can feel the wind buffeting them which makes ones wobble zone greater than the size of the KZ at times so it's best to wait a bit for a lull before taking the shot, but sometimes you're running out of time, so eek, you gotta shoot anyway.

Ha, that would be a BIG mistake shooting during a gust! All you can do is use "best guess in averages of wind speeds " and let the lead fly. My Kestrel broke years ago so I wasn't using a device to measure wind, however I got a sense for how much wind there was by using it a lot back then.
 
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I am shooting rings only, some @ 50M but mostly 100 M with my .25 Impact MK2+.
At my place no steady wind at all, pulsing and swirling there and back, and with some patience it is possible to "calculate" that - every 9 seconds it stops for a second or two, before changing direction to other side. The wind only slows down at the Temp peaks, but never stops.

In my mind there is no learning a wind, only waiting for the window of oportunity.

I was competing in archery almost 18 years - long range FITA 90 M and Field 80 y. Imagine aiming with a compound bow, the wind is pushing the stabilizer mostly over a foot out of the ring, I am calculating 7 sec-8-9 secs, here comes a slow down, re aim quickly and release within that 1-2 seconds of window... Toke me a while to figure that out but ones learned the timing with elements I was on podium for I don't remember how many times.

With airguns I think it is much easier, at least for me. I am not shooting offhand but from rest only.

A year or two ago I 3d printed my own wind flags, bought a WindMeter, and learned to use Strelok calculating the POA to POI offsets. Works so far. When don't work I pack my stuff and just go home.

Oh yes, I forgot to say :)

I will trade for a rainy day any time vs a wind ....
 
Yes indeed ... wind and mitigating / reducing its effect to take a pellet off the POA to somewhere else off target is a skill nearly every successful competitive air gunner has been required to get a grasp of being able to apply corrected POA to achieve the required POI shift countering the wind.

There are wind flags ( Streamers, Magnetic tape, feathers etc hanging on short posts or zip ties close to rifle ) then there are WIND FLAGS that do more than flutter against the wind giving vague indicators of speed & direction.

Shameless plug ... I came up with this idea a few years ago using a telescopic R/C antenna on a swivel mount, Long string and a very stable flag type end. As such you get an accurate Direction, able too with practice get an idea on speed being how far the flag is pulling string back while able to see this with your non optic open eye, as the flag is out in front of you and slightly above your line of sight.
When done with shot it all collapses to @ 4-6 inches

It is slowing catching on and it's been fun watching others apply such a flag/wind devise with much success.

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I bought a wind indicator like that from Cameron that I used on Sunday and it definitely gave me a better idea what was going on vs my other one. It's nice it swings up and out so far making it more visible! Now I need to find the right string to use along with a tiny swivel and feathers.
Flag end ... After trial of many types came to the one I ONLY use now.

1" plastic flagging that comes in a roll. Cut a piece @ 2 1/2". Now lengthwise carefully scissor cut it into @ 1/8" strips stopping 1/4" or so from opposing end.
I like string such as braided fishing line ( Dacron ) having a large knot made on one end. Now roll the cut flagging into a tight wrap around the string having knot mid way or so, rest of string out the non cut end of flagging.
Next take a small zip tye and secure the rolled up flagging at the top firmly cinching it down, clip off tag end. Hold the tye and pull the string drawing knot up against the tye.
Untangle and free up all the small strips making a semi ruffled up shape. Your done.

This shape I've found Does not flutter or wave about just hanging there and moving with the wind when present. It becomes very easy to see shifts in speed & direction due to the flags steadiness.
Feathers, Magnetic Tape, Yarn, etc etc all flip and flutter around being no where as consistent in my extensive testing & watching over the years other miens in wind gauging techniques.

ALSO ... a real draggy flippy & fluttering wind flag out on an extended antenna has the potential to transmit motion down to the gun ( its not much, but it is not worth discounting either !!! )

Just a share ... :unsure:
 
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