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We had a great match today, albeit a small one (Chinese virus related) with respect to attendance. Weather was great, breezes light, but very shifty, as is typical here on our range.

Our new rules as of last year is to always shoot the LV in the first relay, which is in line with the International Benchrest rules, so Roger and I shot our LV spec USFT's, but there was only one other shooter, so Mike used his Daystate *Pulsar, which he admitted was over the 12fpe LV spec.

For relay 2, we switched to more powerful "Open Class" guns, with me and Roger using USFT rifles, and Mike using his Cricket carbine.

After shooting, we had a fine meal, including a huge treat from Roger's wife .... Sushi! We also had my wife's macaroni salad, dogs, and chips.

Match Results:

Relay I: tgt1 tgt2 tgt3 total class

Mike 243/7 241/6 247/7 731/20 *unlimited

LD 245/7 241/9 243/8 729/24 LV

Roger 240/5 237/8 239/3 716/16 LV

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Relay II: tgt1 tgt2 tgt3 total class

LD 239/7 247/12 248/14 734/33 open

Roger 245/8 243/9 245/8 733/25 open

Mike 236/8 243/4 240/6 719/18 open





The Pulsar, like many Daystates, doesn't qualify for International Class competition, since it has an electronic trigger ... though it DOES qualify for USARB Unlimited class, which does allow electronic triggers. At our club, we do not allow guns over the Open Class power level in 25M competition, though the electric trigger isn't a dealbreaker.


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Match Directors often face such quandaries. Enforce rules, or don't? Strictly, or with wiggle-room? How much wiggle-room? To whom? Friends, or everyone? 

I've found the best answer at monthly matches and/or matches with no prizes is to allow over-limit shooters to shoot, but with the clear understanding their score doesn't count in results. That way no-one can complain, and friends remain friends. Good job, LD.

However at any championship type match, or if there are awards involved, rules must be strictly enforced in order to not cheat shooters abiding by rules of fair play. That's why competition rules exist (fair play). Non-enforcement of any rule, under any circumstances, to any degree, renders all rules moot, the MD feckless, and reduces competitions to fun-shoots.

Good shooting, Mike. You probably would have won if shooting within the power limit (that already has wiggle-room built in). And great match directing LD (employing the *).

One last important point. Anyone knowingly shooting outside rules parameters puts your Match Director in a very awkward position of ruling against a friend... or slighting others if he doesn't! I've been there more than once. It's a very brutal test of character that should not be imposed on friends.

BTW, 10.3s would probably shoot as well as the Monsters, and likely fall within power limits.
 
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Nice shooting Mike, within the rules or not. Electronic triggers are nice, but certainly didn’t make you a great shooter or win the event for you. 

Some of these crazy rules in all of the shooting sports seem to be antiquated and as you said, political. 

Now the power level is a different story...It certainly gave you an unfair advantage. I’m kind of surprised you didn’t step down and relinquish your win!😂🤣😁

Have a good one. 

Stoti
 
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Mike we use our own Club rules, not that it matters to you, but they more closely follow the International ones, but tailored to our own needs. Frankly, this was a Club match, but if a competitor claims to be legal in a certain class, but then later admits he wasn’t, NORMAL protocol would be disqualification, but instead we just noted the gun could not be in the LV class and still listed the score. I have never heard of any over the limit “allowance” for 25M benchrest, and I bet Mike never has either. It IS done in AAFTA matches where they allow 2% VELOCITY varaiance, but I‘M sure Mike knows the difference between FT and our 25m BR rules. 

The shooter has shot here for several years, and is aware of the power levels for pour matches, and that we don’t recognize the unlimited class in this club for 25M, but we have taken the course of letting them shoot with electronic triggers IF the power level is under 35fpe. Frankly its a matter of attitude regarding our club’s practices, and has nothing at all to do with USARB regs.

He shot a good score, but when I suggested we should chrono his gun, because I don’t trust readily dial-able power guns, he said he knew exactly what the velocity was, and that it WAS .6fpe over.


 
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Oh, and nobody uses a rail gun in any kind of score type Benchrest competition. Rail guns are a separate class of centerfire group BR shooting.


Mike
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Oh, and nobody uses a rail gun in any kind of score type Benchrest competition. Rail guns are a separate class of centerfire group BR shooting.


Mike
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Huh? Why obfuscate this thread with railgun talk? Whats up with that? 
 
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Centercut mentioned rail guns being allowed...I was just pointing out that nobody uses a rail gun to shoot score type BR matches. The term rail gun seems to come up with guys all the time that don’t actually know what a rail gun is. Apparently, it you shoot free recoil...you have a rail gun to people who don’t know the difference.

Mike 
 
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Nice shooting Mike, within the rules or not. Electronic triggers are nice, but certainly didn’t make you a great shooter or win the event for you. 

Some of these crazy rules in all of the shooting sports seem to be antiquated and as you said, political. 

Now the power level is a different story...It certainly gave you an unfair advantage. I’m kind of surprised you didn’t step down and relinquish your win!
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Have a good one. 

Stoti
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Thanks Stoti...

* The Temecula Airgun Club hasn’t been USARB sanctioned since October 2017, so all we have are “local” rules. 
 
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Gentlemen... ALL (though strong-willed we all be), my apologies for opening a can of worms. However, I do feel that can of worms worthy of not only opening, but occasionally being reexamined for the sake of renewed understanding and appreciation of the need for rules, why we even have them, why consistent or lax rules enforcement maintains a level playing field or doesn't, and how good Match Directors bear the brunt of it all.

To varying degrees I know you guys; hence my sincere apology. On that note I offer a couple more points. 

Match Directors are free to run their matches as they like, for without them we have no matches! Thank a Match Director today, and thank him again if he's a veteran. That said, shooters' meetings should not only cover rules and procedures, but emphasize any that deviate from norms.

True confessions- I'm not the best at covering all ground at every shooters' meeting. Consequently I make it a point to always ask, "what have I forgotten?"; thereby allowing greater minds than mine to fill in my senior 'lapses'. I'm always relieved and grateful when my shooters take up that slack, and feel it's better when everyone feels it's a group effort.

Lastly, let's not lose sight of the very reason we compete... FUN! That's something I never forget to mention in shooters' meetings, right after emphasizing SAFETY FIRST. 

Happy Shooting Y'all,

R
 
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Rather than disqualify you, as I would have been obligated to do in a sanctioned event, I left your score up with the caveat that the gun wasn’t even legal in our club matches because, as you have heard numerous times, we don’t shoot “unlimited class” guns at 25M .... just LV, HV, and Open. I wasn’t really cognizant your gun was gun electronically fired til you told me what model it was, and I was about to list you in “HV” class, instead of a DQ, since it was just a club event, but I realized that would lead you to feel it was a legal HV gun, which its not.

See, I also own several guns with electric triggers, and some are over our recognized Open power limit that I “could” shoot in our matches (by executive action) but decided a long time ago to use other guns that are in compliance, or make them so. 

So, a guy that shoots with us to practice hunting or Field Target is fine, but prolly won’t be club asset.

We have shot airgun benchrest here for nearly two decades, and had other BR orgs claim we were a maverick club for shooting airguns 50yds at for GROUP size on regulation NRA targets, or rogues for not conforming the new “National League rules” they drafted. But we are a small club for good reason, and some of those other clubs are defunct.

Mod edit: personal derogatory remarks removed per forum laws. 
 
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Yes, I see it now. Yes, to those new, the benchrest nomenclature is often misused, and sometimes stubbornly. Heck I’ve shot off the bench in matches even thirty yrs ago , but only rimfire or airguns. I never saw a railgun, since there would be no `advantage for rimfire or airguns anyhow. Perhaps even my concept of a rail is wrong, as I believe the gun and rest are built to be used as an assembly so it would be difficult to identify most conventional gun components. The scope is not over the barrel, or even close-by, and there is no stock of any kind, as the barrel/breech assembly slides along on rods or rails (hence the name) firmly fastened to a heavy rigid base with windage and elevation adjusters that rests on the bench.

Our club disallowed one-piece rests a long time ago, though we did sometimes make exceptions for visitors. They didnt seem to give much advantage, but it was visually a turnoff to most guys who didnt want to ever “need” one to get another point or two, To my mind, this is what many think of as a “machine rest”, and the mistakenly feel the gun is clamped in liked a vice.

The most misused term by airgunners is “locktime”, with “Cut rifling“ a distant third. “Recoiless” is second. 


 
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