Josh3rd THIEF!!

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Sorry to hear about this happening. I bought on hear many many times and no issues ever until my last time. Got scammed for 180 so not huge but regardless frustrating. Gave him the benefit of the doubt as he had recently dealt with multiple trusted members with great feedback. Well screwed me. Lesson learned and unless I've known you for years and dealt with before no F&F for me anymore. He scammed 2 others for sure in same time period and was then banned. Makes me sick for people to do this. Yours is worse as you've known him for years. Very sorry again.
 
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My 2 cents and maybe has already been stated. I was wondering if the 2x4s were sent so the seller could document he sent you a package that had the gun. The goal is to protect him from criminal charges and lawsuit. This way harder to prove he scammed you. It would be your word against his. He could produce the shipping receipt if challenged and the fact of sending 2x4s instead of the gun seems so off beat so not believable. One would initially wonder if he wanted to scam you, why would he go thru the time and expense to mail you a bogus package. Thinking the weight of the 2x4s would be close to the gun. If not, my guess not as valid. He could say you got the gun and trying to scam him. You producing the 2x4s proves nothing as they are common. Would provide some protection from criminal charges and civil lawsuit. He does not seem concerned about getting a bad rap.
 
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blackdiesel said:
FYI Doug is in the hospital after having back surgery on Sept 18th and a heart attack a couple of days ago. I reached out to him after reading your post and his wife updated me.
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I don’t know this person or his wife. The package is dated 9/26/2023, if he had back surgery on the 18th, 8 days after his back surgery and today being the 9/30, if he had a heart attack a couple of days ago 9/28 or 9/27, this sounds like a story to me. None the less neither of those terrible medical issues are a reason for doing what he has done. It seems like he had lots of friends on multiple forums that may have helped him.
 
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JDR said:
My 2 cents and maybe has already been stated. I was wondering if the 2x4s were sent so the seller could document he sent you a package that had the gun. The goal is to protect him from criminal charges and lawsuit. This way harder to prove he scammed you. It would be your word against his. He could produce the shipping receipt if challenged and the fact of sending 2x4s instead of the gun seems so off beat so not believable. One would initially wonder if he wanted to scam you, why would he go thru the time and expense to mail you a bogus package. Thinking the weight of the 2x4s would be close to the gun. If not, my guess not as valid. He could say you got the gun and trying to scam him. You producing the 2x4s proves nothing as they are common. Would provide some protection from criminal charges and civil lawsuit. He does not seem concerned about getting a bad rap.
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Judge Judy would see right through him and his defense.
 
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oledawg said:
I don’t know this person or his wife. The package is dated 9/26/2023, if he had back surgery on the 18th, 8 days after his back surgery and today being the 9/30, if he had a heart attack a couple of days ago 9/28 or 9/27, this sounds like a story to me. None the less neither of those terrible medical issues are a reason for doing what he has done. It seems like he had lots of friends on multiple forums that may have helped him.
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I'm referring to Doug, not the person who scammed Lewis. I know for certain that Doug has been having a lot of medical stuff going on. Added to his issues, his dad had a stroke and Doug went to AZ for a few months and his wife was shipping stuff for deals he had made.
 
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Wow this is a pretty crazy story, never have I once had any issues on the old yellow forums and everyone I have dealt with here have been more than truthful

I was contacted yesterday by someone for a WTB ad I posted. They had exactly what I wanted, but had no presence on the forums (saw my ad on american airguns classified) and said he wasn't able to talk on the phone, ONLY wanted to accept CashApp no paypal, refused to take any updated pics with the gun to show he actually had it, etc Also his name is "James Fisher" but his email was "[email protected]" even that, seems weird.
But those classifieds are known to frequent scammers due to no reputation system...

I've been doing online sales for most of my life and could immediately see the red flags and told him no, but to get that from someone with 1000+ posts, it's definitely sounding like they decided to "Cash out" of the community, which is sad to see
 
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Lewis said:
Exactly. I told him that even though we know each other well, I would feel more comfortable with a tracking number first.
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(y) That's what I figured. What a sub-human, manipulator! I hope YOU aren't beating yourself up or feeling foolish for your charitable actions. You did right, HE did wrong! Don't let it deter you from being a caring person!
 
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blackdiesel said:
FYI Doug is in the hospital after having back surgery on Sept 18th and a heart attack a couple of days ago. I reached out to him after reading your post and his wife updated me.
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His supposed health issues and excuses are completely irrelevant.

He essentially stole from another and should pay the legal consequences for doing so.
 
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hoopharted said:
this is new to me , first off the usual order is pay and then item ships once pay is received , this guy played a long con for a few hundred or simply went off the deep end and hit everyone in his life , but i never seen the 2x4 or fake weight thing before , because if someone was going to keep your money they get it before the item ships anyway so no need to fake package anything

as for F&F PP , i stopped using PP when they divorced for eBay because thats when PP made the shift from protecting buyers to protecting sellers at all cost because thats where their fees are generated , i was ripped off and PP hung me out , one and done , no second chance , so F&F came after i was already done with PP
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It’s done on PayPal to buy time, make it look like they genuinely shipped something and by the time it’s all investigated etc it’s your word versus theirs and the money has cleared

Eventhough this point is bill with friends and family, the sender will claim they sent you the items with the tracking number and approximate weight

It’s one word versus another
 
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MAUMAU said:
His supposed health issues and excuses are completely irrelevant.

He essentially stole from another and should pay the legal consequences for doing so.
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The jury is out on whether he stole anything. I'm sure if he's lying up in the hospital returning PMs is very low on the list of priorities. For reference, I can't think of any AGN member who has done more transactions than Doug as a buyer, seller, or trader. So, at the very least he deserves some consideration that he "might" not be in a position to complete a deal at the moment.
 
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Lewis said:
Great advice. All PayPal F&F so no recourse there.
No chance he could blame USPS. The box is 26x7x3 and only 5lb on the shipping label. It could never have held an airgun, even broken down.
You can't even call it a box. More of a sheet of carboard rolled around the 2x4 and folded over on the ends.

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No good deed shall go unpunished. One truism that seems to hold. Sorry this C happened to you.
 
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MAUMAU said:
Got this on eBay a while back and have been dying to try it out.

Give me his LAT / LONG and I'll start the launch sequence.

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I got one of those a long time ago, wanted to save the world from Redmond WA, darn Chinese POS missed. I apologize to all.
 
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Stuff like this happens more than you would think. I know of a very large sporting goods company that recently got scammed in a similar way, but the decoy shipment was simply a small, empty package that the thief shipped as a larger and heavier item to obtain a believable tracking number to get a "replacement" high dollar product sent to the them.

There is huge online retailer that used to have a "bad customer" list giving the names, emails, addresses and phone numbers of customers who had stolen stuff from them. Either with bad checks or letting people take stuff home from trade shows etc without paying for it, telling them to send it back if they didn't like it or send a check if they did. The last time I looked at the list before it was removed from the site it was approaching $200K IIRC.
 
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