To the OP- I’m not going to read thru all 7 pages of this discussion but I’ll do my best to address your starting post. Im not the expert with the perfect answer and if any comments were made previous that are parallel with what I’m about to say, forgive me for repeating-
This post made by Bngen3, I’m using it as an example only, and am not ridiculing or making any negative vibes towards his post, but his post, with a pic of his mag dump at 25 yards into one hole, is part of the reason we are expecting too much out of a freaking pellet gun, my God. First off, we don’t know what type of shooter he is. Was it his first ever gun to ever shoot or was this guy given a trigger assembly to play with in his cradle, been around guns and shooting his entire life. So a newbie sees this, buys the same gun, then expects it to do exactly the same at 25 yards.
Not gonna happen.
It used to be 1 MOA was the standard. To be able to achieve that “was all that was required”. The greed for better accuracy comes to play. Yes, to get better than 1 MOA it costs $$. Dollars in tweaking man hours, dollars in better tolerance fit parts, design, all of that. It’s not about hitting the center of the coke can at 40 yards anymore, it’s the want to hit the upper intersection of the letter K in COKE. To do that with each and every shot, will not only cost money, but will also require a lot of shooting practice.
The whole “hole in hole” “all day long” comments I don’t pay attention to anymore, as unless you are at Olympic level skill level as a shooter, 90% of all that said is BS and Hype. The 10% out there that can do it, guaranteed can’t do it with any old gun. Shooter skill and equipment quality go hand in hand. 25 yards is not the same as 50, 75, nor a 100. So all the fluff about say, the $250 Notos, being a very accurate gun for its price point, yeah maybe it is, but it’s a under 50 yard gun and that’s all it’ll ever be. If your average shot distance is 50 yards and less, then that budget gun is perfect for whoever, but don’t get upset if it shoots 3” groups at 75 yards and now you need to spend more to get that same Notos accuracy out past 50.
Look, I’m not the best of shooters. I try and practice three to four times a week if possible, and just in the past month started shooting with slugs. I shot this yesterday in heavy wind and rain, out to 100-
View attachment 551877 This did not happen with a stock out of the box gun, btw. All my guns except the Skout I won and my first pcp were new, but the rest were bought used, and this was a used gun I shot this group with. 9 ring and in for the majority of the shots, and first time dealing with slugs. A lot of work and modifications had to be made to get this far. I can almost guarantee the next time I shoot it I WILL NOT replicate this group because I’m not that good of a shooter. What I’m trying to say as I sum up this post is, yes, to do better than 1 MOA costs money, and secondly, don’t believe all the hype.
By the way, It cracks me up how the “hole in hole” comments to groups have been referred to lately. To have true “hole in hole” means it truly only looks like only one shot was made. The terms “clover leaf”, or “cluster”, somehow got forgotten and now groups with shots touching are termed hole in hole.
I was just telling a group of friends I can’t believe a certain gun made it to the top heap of the pile for all the faults that it has. It gained its popularity solely on hype, and everytime I cruise thru the pcp section and read all the same complaints about this gun, from folks that invested $2300 on it year after year, they all say “why can’t my gun shoot like the guy on YouTube, out of the box?”
Anyway, rant over. Just remember, each and everytime you pull the trigger, reflect back as to why you even got into this hobby. To be able to shoot on the cheap, in the privacy of your back yard, and that it’s just a pellet gun
