You’re not using firearm Barrel brushes or firearm lubricants ? As these don’t play well with airgun barrels and Orings respectively
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I have 2 regulated reveres and both would head shoot a squirrel @50 1st shot. They are 1 of the best lookinng air rifles in my opinion but not the most powerful. 177-18 fpe. 22-29 fpeHi Ed,
You are looking for consistent 1st shot accuracy from a PCP…
I’d recommend that you acquire a good quality UNREGULATED PCP rifle. The Daystate Huntsman Revere (or Regal - same rifle with bolt action) is one such option, there are others.
Regulated PCPs in essence have two air chambers (plenum and air reservoir) operating at two different air pressures. This added layer of complexity (regulator) to keep the plenum at the necessary air pressure can contribute to 1st shot inaccuracy - usually a low 1st shot because plenum air pressure dropped while the gun was not used for a few days… this low 1st shot plenum pressure is like having your powder burner cartridge “leak” some gunpowder if you left in sitting in the rifle for a few days.
An unregulated rifle uses essentially the entire air reservoir as its “plenum”, so its less susceptible to 1st shot dropped velocity resulting in low PoI.
The shot-to-shot velocity of an unregulated rifle varies as the pressure in the air reservoir changes slightly with each shot. This can be a disadvantage when precision target shooting - unless you carefully monitor and adjust (add air) the air reservoir pressure.
For target shooting, regulated rifles should have an advantage over unregulated as each shot should maintain the same velocity, until the air cylinder pressure drops below the regulator pressure - at which point its time to refill the rifle with air.
The low 1st shot issue doesn’t really impact target shooters, as they can dry fire before beginning a session and they will be taking sighter shots to judge wind conditions before beginning to shoot any targets for score.
So my recommendation was based on my understanding that you were seeking “consistent 1st shot accuracy” - i.e. in a hunting or pesting situation where you would not have the luxury of dry firing or taking practice shots before getting down to business.
-Ed
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The Huntsman was my 1st quality rifle and 10 years on I still love it. Although I own much more expensive rifles, the Huntsman is my go to everyday gun. Quality engineering, beautiful walnut stock. It will give pleasure for the rest of your life.Get a daystate huntsman Safari 22 and be done.
Tiapan veteran and your good to go.Let me first set the table... I've been a long-time outdoorsman with a 23 yr military career behind me and have been a "powder gun" shooter for most of my life. In "powder guns," I can pull one out of the box, give them a good cleaning, set up the gun(s), site in, and then count on them to HIT what I am aiming at, with the FIRST shot...EVERY TIME. None of these guns are considered "high end." I have 4 Ruger 10/22 rifles in various configurations, none costing more than $500, and each will put 10 shots in a single ragged hole at 50 yards, with whatever ammo that's compatible. All of my center-fire rifles will do the same, but at 100yds+.
Due to health issues related to my military career, I am 100% disabled and can no longer hunt, but to still be able to "shoot", I turned to "Airguns.".... I started with a few different "Springers". And I still can't understand why those types of "airguns" are even made/sold... unless you just want to solve problems each time you shoot them.
After that, I dipped my toe into the .22 PCP gun ocean... The first was a Marauder, then a Gauntlet 2, then a Notos, a Niksan Ozark, and most recently a Barra 1100z Gen 2.. It took a lot of modification to the Marauder to get "relative accuracy" out of it. I could never get the Gauntlet 2 even close to being "accurate", no matter what I did to it, and thus I no longer even shoot that gun...... money wasted. The Niksan Ozark was an impulse buy and a total waste of money. (plus a very bad experience with the seller) The 1100z was returned under a warranty issue (a new one is currently on its way to me), which leaves the Notos...the least expensive of the lot, and is the ONLY gun out of them all that will consistently put 7 shots (mag capacity is 7) in a single ragged hole at 25yrds, with any pellet I feed it. If this is possible in a sub $275 gun, why is it not demanded/expected in EVERY PCP gun costing more than $1K?
Preferring traditional style guns, the FX DRS recently caught my eye, so I watched videos from Pyramid, and Gateway to Airguns. In the Pyramid video, the host was "wowed" with a 3/8" group off a benchrest. In the Gateway to airguns video, the host louded "accuracy" of the gun, but out of 4 groups....only one was a single "ragged hole" off sandbags. Other groups were "scattered", which makes me question consistency. After checking, I was very disappointed to find that the DRS, in the least expensive version, is a $1k gun.
So, having said all of that, I've read time and again... You have to pay for accuracy in PCP guns. My question is...just how much must an individual pay for a traditional style PCP to get CONSISTENT ACCURACY OUT OF THE BOX without having to test endless pellets and/or make modifications to the gun?? OR does anything like that even exist in the PCP world??
What do I want? As described in the first paragraph, a gun that once "set up" will give me confidence in its accuracy each and every time it's shot... but moreso a gun that I can trust to be accurate on the fist shot... because in most pest/varmint/small game hunting situations, that first shot is the only one I will get.
So far, the Notos is the only PCP I've shot that gives me relative confidence in first shot accuracy, and it's the least money out of all the PCPs I own. However, its downfall is power. I've literally watched pellets bounce off squirrels when the shots were beyond about 35 yards.
Tiapan veteran and your good to go.
I just pulled my version 1 .22 standard out from a 4 month rest these are my first 3 shots 30y breeze.
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This thing puts a smile on my face every time I shoot it.
Also a very simplistic pcp easy to tune .
If you want accuracy in the first shot you need a non regulated rifle or a Sidewinder (not traditional looking rifle).Let me first set the table... I've been a long-time outdoorsman with a 23 yr military career behind me and have been a "powder gun" shooter for most of my life. In "powder guns," I can pull one out of the box, give them a good cleaning, set up the gun(s), site in, and then count on them to HIT what I am aiming at, with the FIRST shot...EVERY TIME. None of these guns are considered "high end." I have 4 Ruger 10/22 rifles in various configurations, none costing more than $500, and each will put 10 shots in a single ragged hole at 50 yards, with whatever ammo that's compatible. All of my center-fire rifles will do the same, but at 100yds+.
Due to health issues related to my military career, I am 100% disabled and can no longer hunt, but to still be able to "shoot", I turned to "Airguns.".... I started with a few different "Springers". And I still can't understand why those types of "airguns" are even made/sold... unless you just want to solve problems each time you shoot them.
After that, I dipped my toe into the .22 PCP gun ocean... The first was a Marauder, then a Gauntlet 2, then a Notos, a Niksan Ozark, and most recently a Barra 1100z Gen 2.. It took a lot of modification to the Marauder to get "relative accuracy" out of it. I could never get the Gauntlet 2 even close to being "accurate", no matter what I did to it, and thus I no longer even shoot that gun...... money wasted. The Niksan Ozark was an impulse buy and a total waste of money. (plus a very bad experience with the seller) The 1100z was returned under a warranty issue (a new one is currently on its way to me), which leaves the Notos...the least expensive of the lot, and is the ONLY gun out of them all that will consistently put 7 shots (mag capacity is 7) in a single ragged hole at 25yrds, with any pellet I feed it. If this is possible in a sub $275 gun, why is it not demanded/expected in EVERY PCP gun costing more than $1K?
Preferring traditional style guns, the FX DRS recently caught my eye, so I watched videos from Pyramid, and Gateway to Airguns. In the Pyramid video, the host was "wowed" with a 3/8" group off a benchrest. In the Gateway to airguns video, the host louded "accuracy" of the gun, but out of 4 groups....only one was a single "ragged hole" off sandbags. Other groups were "scattered", which makes me question consistency. After checking, I was very disappointed to find that the DRS, in the least expensive version, is a $1k gun.
So, having said all of that, I've read time and again... You have to pay for accuracy in PCP guns. My question is...just how much must an individual pay for a traditional style PCP to get CONSISTENT ACCURACY OUT OF THE BOX without having to test endless pellets and/or make modifications to the gun?? OR does anything like that even exist in the PCP world??
What do I want? As described in the first paragraph, a gun that once "set up" will give me confidence in its accuracy each and every time it's shot... but moreso a gun that I can trust to be accurate on the fist shot... because in most pest/varmint/small game hunting situations, that first shot is the only one I will get.
So far, the Notos is the only PCP I've shot that gives me relative confidence in first shot accuracy, and it's the least money out of all the PCPs I own. However, its downfall is power. I've literally watched pellets bounce off squirrels when the shots were beyond about 35 yards.
No! That was one of the first things I researched before buying my first Springer..... and then double checking before that the first PCP gun arrived..... and am glad I did! Otherwise I would have whipped out the bronze bore brushes and the CLP, and very like would have wrecked a brand new gun. That is a good "catch" though....and I suspect a lot of noobies like me would make that mistake.You’re not using firearm Barrel brushes or firearm lubricants ? As these don’t play well with airgun barrels and Orings respectively
That is something I've noticed with these "starter" level guns that I'm shooting....but it seems they need at least 6 or more shots before they settle into anything remotely resembling "accuracy". Even the Notos, which I consider the most accurate outta all my guns. Thank you for the "tweaking" lesson/explanation. Well put and understandable to a newer level PCP shooter.My Prod velocity is at least as sensitive to temperature as my regulated guns. I think powder burners have reduced velocity in lower temperature too, however. I don't measure velocity a lot on my regulated guns at this point but I have had all of them tuned to have a first shot within the spread of a 10 shot string. I don't find it difficult to do. I guess that hammer spring setting could give me less accuracy but I have not experienced that. It is at least worth a try for a gun with a low velocity first shot to increase the hammer spring a small amount. It has worked several times for me. When I noticed it the first time on my P35-22 some very experienced members suggested a cause, I think they said "valve lock". I don't understand the mechanism or term but I do remember what to try when I see it.
If you get convinced that you "need" a given velocity for best accuracy, say 880 fps, and have the gun set at a regulator setting that will produce 920 fps then you want to reduce the velocity 5% with the hammer spring. And your first shot may be slow. Increasing velocity to 890 fps has in my experience eliminated the low velocity first shot. But if accuracy at 890 is not acceptable, the regulator could be reduced a tad so you don't have to back off on the hammer spring as much. There is always more than one way to get to a target velocity with a regulated gun.
I regularly trust all my airguns to place a pellet at the point of aim regardless of how long they have been sitting. And they do it. I've shot targets that way but a little warm up seems to help me and possibly the gun too. I have a target where I shot a few shots, like maybe 4, after the gun set at least 12 hours. The first shot went at one bull, the second at another, etc.. I wanted to know that the first shots went where they should. I may have had to adjust one gun. I'll look for that target.
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