KALIBRGUN CRICKET. 35 9MM !!!

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"drid"I ve heard this gun and is very loud from the factory !!!! Has any one had a MOD made for it to make it quiter ???
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How quiet do you expect to make it? 

If the goal is suburban backyard friendly, it is very unlikely that any mod will help unless the mod is the reduce the power by 50%. 

The same goes for any other big bore air rifle. Now different people's opinions of "backyard friendly" and "quiet" will vary but every 70ft lb+ gun I have heard has been loud even with some large and effective LDC's.

I asked Neil Clague about making a big bore quiet enough to practice in my backyard a while ago. I was considering buying either a Jkhan 9mm or a Cricket 9m. I trust his opinion on these things as he spends a good deal of his time on R&D to improve his product. He told me that you can make any gun quiet but with big bores the LDCs would probably have to be too large to be acceptable to most people.

The best I have been able to achieve on 80-100ft lb rifles is an LDC that stops it hurting my ears but nothing close to being quiet. Just to achieve that, the LDC was 8" long, 1.5" diameter and weighs a ton. 

 
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Zebra when I answered the question on the big bores I was basing my answer on the really powerful big bores, the Crickets already have a shroud, if you add threads to the shroud and then add an LDC to it they can be made pretty tame. But when you talk about a big bore putting out 300 to 500fpe you are not going to make them back yard friendly without a very large can on them. If you have a 100fpe gun I make shrouds and LDC's for them all the time and they can be tamed fairly easily. I do not fully remember our discussion but I thought you had talked about wanting to shoot it on your porch in the very early hours and did not want to aggravate the neighbors, although they can be made pretty quiet I am still not sure even a fairly tame gun should be shot in the early hours when people are still sleeping. I always air on the side of caution when it comes to shooting guns and irritating neighbors, Neil.

PS. My 8 inch x 1.5 inch OD suppressors are pretty light weight, what did you put inside yours, a sheet of lead? lol
 
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Be very interested to see 50 and 100 yard targets. Say bench rested, no or little wind .My local gun shop posted videos of a 9 mm Cricket at 50 yards fired indoors by a talented airgun shot. Was singularly unimpressed. 
Curious where the trade off between sheer power and accuracy lies on the bigger calibres. .25 / .30/ .357(9mm) ? Without special tuning.

safe shooting
 
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wolfieHi

Be very interested to see 50 and 100 yard targets. Say bench rested, no or little wind .My local gun shop posted videos of a 9 mm Cricket at 50 yards fired indoors by a talented airgun shot. Was singularly unimpressed. 
Curious where the trade off between sheer power and accuracy lies on the bigger calibres. .25 / .30/ .357(9mm) ? Without special tuning.

safe shooting
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Going to be making a videos on shooting my cricket 150+ yards. I can hit 20 oz pressurized bottles at 150 yards 1 out of three shots. I'm just waiting on a calm day to make this video.
 
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Hi all and wyshadow.

Await your video then.
Presume you will use a proper target where the pellet holes can be measured in addition to old spray cans.
Without accuracy power is meaningless.
Four or five targets with 5 shot groups should suffice. If target missed altogether please state . Fill pressures and pellet make and weight would also be most uesful.
Having a Cricket .22 in my collection I expect good performannce.

safe shooting





 
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"drid"Hi neil. Can you give any sort of comparison to standard factory and yours. Thanx
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Sorry but there is absolutely no way I can give comparisons between what I make and factory items, that would mean testing every single shroud and LDC I make and compare them to every gun I make them for, it is just not possible! If you have the factory shroud modified and then add a larger OD LDC to it, that is the best way to quieten it down, Neil.
 
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"NeilClague"Zebra when I answered the question on the big bores I was basing my answer on the really powerful big bores, the Crickets already have a shroud, if you add threads to the shroud and then add an LDC to it they can be made pretty tame. But when you talk about a big bore putting out 300 to 500fpe you are not going to make them back yard friendly without a very large can on them. If you have a 100fpe gun I make shrouds and LDC's for them all the time and they can be tamed fairly easily. I do not fully remember our discussion but I thought you had talked about wanting to shoot it on your porch in the very early hours and did not want to aggravate the neighbors, although they can be made pretty quiet I am still not sure even a fairly tame gun should be shot in the early hours when people are still sleeping. I always air on the side of caution when it comes to shooting guns and irritating neighbors, Neil.

PS. My 8 inch x 1.5 inch OD suppressors are pretty light weight, what did you put inside yours, a sheet of lead? lol
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My 8" LDC is one of yours. I should have worded it better. It's not the LDC that weighs a ton on it's own. It's the whole package with the rifle, scope and LDC that is heavy. It's more what it does to the balance as the effect of more weight at the front is magnified. I doubt I could manage anything larger. 

That 8" LDC is by far the most effective one I have heard. It reduces the noise significantly but the gun is so loud to start with that even halving the noise doesn't make it quiet. Or, at least not what I would consider quiet. It does make it quiet for what it is though. Some of it is the pitch. I.e. I can measure a large noise reduction with one of your LDCs but on some guns, the pitch is a non-alarming ping or thud while others make a bang that'll have the neighbors calling 911. 

How big would you have to make the LDC on a Cricket 9mm to make it sound like the 25 cal? You've peaked my interest again. 

I think my hearing must be more sensitive than most. I have never heard anything 30 cal and above sound backyard friendly even with an LDC attached to a shroud extension. I know people that think the 30 cal FX boss is backyard friendly but there is no way I could get away with that. There is a YouTube review of the 9mm RAW where the guy claims it's backyard friendly he even produced a DB reading that was close to a Marauder 25. I nearly bought one because of it but when I tried one, it made my ears ring. 

To me, backyard friendly means I could plink all afternoon without disturbing the neighbors. It doesn't take much noise to annoy the neighbors if it's constant. With my Cricket 25, I can get away with a few shots here and there for pest control. With the Mutant, my neighbors don't even look up to see where the noise is coming from when I take a shot. It's the definition of backyard friendly. 
 
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"iride"I have a LDC (Neil) on my 25 Cricket, To me its back yard friendly,
Its the pellet hitting my wood back stop at 48 yards that makes all the noise,
Even a box fill with old clothes the pellet makes more noise than the gun..
Mike
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I would expect that from the 25. The 25 Cricket is not super loud with just the factory shroud. The 9mm Cricket is twice as loud.

I think most 50ft lb 25 cal guns can be made quiet enough to practice in the backyard. Guns like my Career 2 707 25 rifle which is tuned for 80-100ft lb sound very different even with a large LDC. The Cricket 9mm is another step up in power from that (albeit with more efficient use of air). 


 
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Wow, sounds nice, I am a big Cricket fan, Noise is really not a big factor for me , I just use my LDC for the cool factor,
BUT, My prey 99.9 % of the time is the English Sparrow, at max 48 yards and 30 % of my shots are at 30 yards,
I just think the 35 Cricket may be just a little on the over kill factor, Now even with my 22 and 25 I have to go out there and pick up the body parts,
Now I know some of you guys will be saying use the 35 as there will be less body parts to pick up,,,, Well then I have to go hunt for the head, a wing or a foot and it just makes it to hard on me, So I am going to stick with the 22 and the 25 unless I come across a super deal on a 35 Cricket.
Mike
 
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Sorry I can't make you something to shoot English birds goes against my English heritage, lol The size I chose for the Crickets was because they are a Bullpup, I can always make guns quieter, a lot quieter, but when you are dealing with a Bullpup customers want them kept short, and with some guns a larger OD will cause problems with the scope so going larger in OD is not always an option. For a laugh I made a 3 inch diameter LDC for a 45 caliber gun and tried it on my 22 caliber, the bore was huge so i expected it to still be loud, it was so quiet I thought the gun was empty, so going big really does help, literally dry firing it all I heard was the hammer being smacked, there was no report at all, zero. So I know smaller bores can be made silent, it is just a matter of is it worth going so big when the smaller ones make them acceptably quiet? I try and make something that makes them back yard friendly without being huge, they work for me, but once in a while I do get an anal customer who wants to put a monster can on a .177 that puts out 12fpe, I try and talk them out of it but they always have the final say, all the best, Neil.
 
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