Kral empire xs vs. Artemis snowpeak p35?

[Roachcreek]

Jim D has given great advice on the Bullshark and I respect Jim D for sharing his experience that has helped the owners of Bullsharks.

That entire line/design is in fact regulated. I replaced my Skyhawk regulator with a Huma, it died eventually and a friend here on this forum, who is a master p-15 crank, rebuilt my Skyhawk and replaced the Huma with a Snowpeak regulator which is still running.

At one time I seriously considered purchasing a new p-35 from Krale and using it as a donor gun to get my Skyhawk out of the box of parts in the closet and get it up and running. In the end it just seemed like pouring good money into the Snowpeak hole.

I eventually bought parts from Bagwell in England to rebuild what I needed to rebuild and it was cheaper than a Krale p-35. Now the purchase of those parts led to my visa getting hacked twice, so the Snowpeak curse was still getting me, just in a different realm.

The Kral XS is not regulated and most Krals have a cliff or descending shot string, however the shots are so close as the velocity decends that they seem like they are regulated.

This thread got me thinking that since I am buying a much longer barrel for my Bighorn as I chase the 25 bore 100 fpe level that I could get a krale p-35 in 25 and have my oem Bighorn barrel fitted to a P-35, but in the cold clear light of day it would be wiser to just seek professional counciling for pcp substance abuse.

When my forward cocking, LW barreled, Micheli stocked Skyhawk is working, it is a marvelous Airgun, but sort of like a country western song about a flawed lover who has repeated mental issues.

RC

 

[EdinGa]

One of my airgun buddies on another forum 3d printed a suppressor that I added to my Bullshark. It's one of the quietest guns I own no. I also did the felt wrapped hair roller mod that Aaron Cantrell shows on is YouTube channel. I have one over the shroud exhaust holes and one and a half in front of the air stripper. I'm only using the first baffle from the factory stack to keep the rollers from slipping inside the air stripper.

I can't find any specs that say if it's regulated or not.. Assuming it isn't or they would advertise that?

Mine is definitely regulated and consistency is good.

 

[Raider03]

I can't find any specs that say if it's regulated or not.. Assuming it isn't or they would advertise that?

Bullshark is regulated at about 140bar.
Empire Xs are not. My 177 shots 16.2 grain JSB pellets at 800fps.

 

[JimD]

The regulator on the P15/P35/bullshark is adjustable but not terribly easily. I reduced it a bit on my 25 (1/4 turn). The guns come with a tool to remove the airgauge (after removing the air from the tube via a screw on the back end of the tube). Then the nut the gauge attaches to is removed and you can see the lock nut of the regulator at the other end of the tube. I think the lock nut is 12mm but I'm working from memory which at my age is dangerous. With it loosened you rotate the stem with a straight bladed screwdriver long enough to reach it. Clockwise decreases regulator pressure and counter clockwise increases it. Opposite of what I would have guessed. Then you replace the O-ring on the big nut and I did the crude fill valve O-ring too. I tried putting it together with the same O-rings but it leaked. Now I would just replace them any time I open it. The biggest issue was getting the big nut started putting it back. The threads are very fine and I really did not want to cross thread it. A good thing about removing the nut, however, is you can stop about whenever you want threading it back in. So you can clock the angle the fill adapter goes in to something sensible. Mine are at odd angles on the 177 and 22. I threaded it back to where the nut was about level with the end of the airtube and the fill hole was horizontal.

With respect to SPA not mentioning the regulator I would note that documentation is one of the worst things about these airguns. The "manual" says next to nothing. It's just an add for their other guns. I got a diagram of the parts off the internet. I figured out the trigger by trial and error. I think the cocking lever of the P35/bullshark can be flipped to the other side of the gun but they say nothing about that either. A guy on the Artemis Facebook group said he did it. Looking at the parts it seems entirely plausible. Between youtubes, mostly of the P15, this forum and GTA plus the facebook page I've been able to find the information I've needed but SPA could undoubtedly sell more guns if they would provide better documentation.

 

[JamesD.]

Yes, I saw that JimD has three P35s. I'd probably buy the Stoeger model since you can get them in the US. The shipping on the P35s seem crazy, considering it is the same bullpup.

I don’t have (3) P 35’s, don’t know what they are.
I have a AEA .30 I’m selling. PM me if you want it.
Mook pm’d me saying something about it and I saw this.

 

[MACTEN]

Bullshark is regulated at about 140bar.
Empire Xs are not. My 177 shots 16.2 grain JSB pellets at 800fps.

I know the Kral isn't. It can be though. Not sure it's actually needed though.

 

[JimD]

Regulated versus not seems to be one of those never ending discussions. Unregulated guns can have very tight velocity variation within a range of tank pressure. The length of the shot string becomes a function of how much velocity variation is OK. On a regulated gun, the velocity stays pretty constant until the tanks pressure falls below the regulator setting. So the length of the shot string with tight velocity variation tends to be significantly longer in regulated guns. My relatively inexpensive SPA P35s have produced shot strings 30-40 shots long (all I wanted to measure) with 15fps or less variation in velocity. I've done them at the extremes of pressure so I know it doesn't matter. The 177 would do this for 100 shots or a bit more. The 22 about 60 and the 25 about 70 shots. I don't think those sort of shot strings do not seem to be reasonable expectations for unregulated guns. But unregulated guns can give you 15 or less velocity variation just not for the full range of tank pressure. So if you are target shooting with an unregulated gun you may have to refill more often. If you are hunting, you probably don't need to.

I also think regulated guns are easier to tune because you don't have to shoot a long shot string to know what the effect of a change is. But regulators are another part that can go bad and need attention. No free lunch. Unregulated guns are simpler and the better ones have amazingly flat shot strings. I prefer regulated guns but it is not a deal breaker for me. I'll buy another unregulated if I find one that I like otherwise.

 

[Perle]

I have the Stoeger Bullshark version of the p35. It's lights out accurate, has a great shot count, a very tunable trigger (thanks JimD) and puts out plenty of power. Once I took the colored parts off it's a nice looking bullpup. It also has a 5 year warranty.View attachment 331796

That is one handsome pup

What’s the weight on that Italian airgun ?. It looks svelte.

 

[JimD]

Bullsharks are about 6 lbs. P35s are 5.2 and P15s are 4.7 if I remember right. The low weight and ability for me to shoot from my left shoulder attracted me to the P35.

 

[Perle]

Jim D

Would you recommend a bullshark. ?

Not much info on it. Would love to hear about it

 

[Roachcreek]

My Skyhawk will not function now, just posted about it on a new thread.

RC

 

[EdinGa]

Jim D

Would you recommend a bullshark. ?

Not much info on it. Would love to hear about it

I bought the Bullshark because it was available here in the US and has a 5 year warranty. I love mine in .177.

 

[EdinGa]

That is one handsome pup

What’s the weight on that Italian airgun ?. It looks svelte.

Thanks! I haven't checked the weight with the scope or without. I'll try to do that soon.

 

[Nattboy]

Thanks! I haven't checked the weight with the scope or without. I'll try to do that soon.

The Bull Shark weight is 6.17 lbs. My Hawke Vantage 4 x 32 A O scope weight is 13.1 ounces. The Bull Shark comes with a number of extras, different size cheek rests, hand grips, stock length spacers, picatinny side rails and a removeable front handle. Google Stoeger Air Guns for more information. My .22 caliber shoots a 18.13 gr JSB pellet at 890 fps. Where I shoot will only allow me 30 yds. At that range, the gun is very accurate.

 

[JimD]

That's about what I got in my 22 with JSB 18s and they were accurate. But H&N Baracuda Match are a little more accurate at 35 yards - the limit in my yard. At 25 yards they were about equal. I twice put three Match pellets through exactly the same hole at 25 yards. My best on the 30 yard challenge is currently a 195.

 

[robbos]

I have the Stoeger Bullshark version of the p35. It's lights out accurate, has a great shot count, a very tunable trigger (thanks JimD) and puts out plenty of power. Once I took the colored parts off it's a nice looking bullpup. It also has a 5 year warranty.View attachment 331796

...now THAT is a nice-looking bullpup....

 

[EdinGa]

...now THAT is a nice-looking bullpup....

Thanks! I've been really happy with it so far.

 

[Luispimentel1]

La rosca del cañón para supresor es la misma en el kral empire y en el p35? Tengo un p35 pero no sé qué rosca es para fabricar un supresor en 3D.

Si alguien sabe la medida de la rosca se los agradecería mucho.

 

[JimD]

Sorry I can't read the language of the last post but it appears they may be inquiring about a moderator. I don't know about the Kral but the bullshark comes with a 1/2 20 adapter on it and DonnyFL makes one that I bought for my P35s. I prefer to use in shroud printed moderators on my P35s, however. It makes them shorter, they are just as quiet, and unlike the factory baffles there is virtually no risk of clipping.

As long as I'm on here, my 30 yard challenge scores have gone up on my P35s. The 177 and 25 have both done a 194 now and I shot one 200 last year with my P35-22. This year my P35-22 has done a 197 which is the same score as my new Caiman which has a CZ barrel. That isn't entirely fair, however, I just got the Caiman tuned to where I think I will leave it yesterday and haven't shot a target since. The P35-22 tune has been in place for a year or more. I'm pretty sure the Caiman has a 200 in it. I'm making this comment relative to P35 barrels. I think they are pretty good. Some better than others but I would not consider any of mine inaccurate.