Lane regulator or Huma regulator?

Simple question,

Huma or Lane? I have a Kral Mega that shoots extremely well right now but a regulator would top it off! I am just curious as to which may be better, not in terms of overall quality maybe, but for my rifle. I watched Troy's video installing a lane regulator on a Kral mega (there are zero videos about these rifles lol) and that made me feel comfortable about the install as I am NO WAY as savvy as you guys in the ripping my rifle apart lol. Just leave it below, thanks!

Rifle: Kral Mega
Caliber: .177
Preferred pellet: H&N FTT 8.64g
​Velocity: Not chronoed yet but believe to be mid 900s ( used other data in Strelok to guess this until I chrono it) 
 
Most Lane regs require drilling a hole in the air-tube. I'm not sure whether anybody makes a reg for that rifle. Before you go down that path, you might want to consider that it will possibly take many hours of tuning to get anywhere near the shot count that you require. You will never be able to match the velocities of your stock gun. If you are happy with the performance of your gun, why mess with it. A regulator will flatten your curve but you have to rob Peter to pay Paul. Usually, when you add a reg to a stock gun, without any tuning, you will end up with a reduced shot count, reduced power or probably both. If you don't mind a reduced shot count, you can fill your unregulated gun to the top of your sweet spot and refill at the bottom. This method is perfect for hunting. From the bench, I use a regulated supply bottle. This is only my humble opinion but I have already learned from my mistakes. I don't have anything against regulators especially when they are fitted to a gun that is tuned to get the best out of them.
 
Yes both lane and huma make a reg for my rifle. No drilling needed for either as you just leave an o ring off, but i see your point of why bother if it works great. And it works really well, I am shooting out to 75 yards with a .177 pretty accurately. I will chrono this rifle and review my shot string in various configurations and then decide. 

I love the rifle, and will definitely be grabbing a Donny moderator for it though. 
 
Mrod,

I have both Lane and Huma regulators in several of my guns, none a Kral, though. Very pleased with both, performance of each is about equal. I lean towards the Lane, because they have rebuilding kits available, as well as upgrade kits for higher or lower power levels.
The adjustment of a PCP gun should be about the same for many models and brands, usually a hammer spring adjustment at minimum, some guns have additional adjustments, to make tuning more versatile.
If you take a look at my rebuild of my Marauder from a couple of weeks ago, I made a simple adjustment tool for my Lane regulator. I explained how to get the gun tuned easily for the regulator. I found that using a chronograph is a must for this process. All I did was adjust the hammer spring in the middle of it's range, and tried it. If the velocity was too high or low, I adjusted the regulator with the tool, this avoids taking the regulator out every time you need to adjust it. When you near the velocity you want, fine tune it with the hammer spring. That's it. You'll have a gun that shoots the velocity you want, most efficiently. The key is to adjust the regulator to the gun, not adjust the gun to the regulator. I found this method the easiest and quickest way to achieve the power level that you want.
Hope this helps,

Tom Holland 
 
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"Eaglebeak"when you add a reg to a stock gun, without any tuning, you will end up with a reduced shot count, reduced power or probably both. If you don't mind a reduced shot count, you can fill your unregulated gun to the top of your sweet spot and refill at the bottom. This method is perfect for hunting. From the bench, I use a regulated supply bottle. This is only my humble opinion but I have already learned from my mistakes.
I humbly 100% Disagree with this statement!

When you shoot your unregulated gun the hammer spring is fighting the pressure in you gun. That's why you have a curved shot string. 

Once you see at what air pressure you get your best FPS (or your target FPS) with your current set up.
All you need to do is set the regulator to that PSI/BAR and you will have a consistant FPS at that speed for more shots than you would if it was unregulated.
Fill to max PSI of your gun and all the way down to the regulator PSI it will shoot consistently.

As for Lane or Huma? I have a Lane and it works well. But his customer service is a bit on the rough side. He's a mechinist not a people person. LOL!
If I am ever in need of another regulator I'll be ordering the Huma. But both are adjustable and both do exactly what they are intended to do.


Good Luck!


 
"toku58"
"Eaglebeak"when you add a reg to a stock gun, without any tuning, you will end up with a reduced shot count, reduced power or probably both. If you don't mind a reduced shot count, you can fill your unregulated gun to the top of your sweet spot and refill at the bottom. This method is perfect for hunting. From the bench, I use a regulated supply bottle. This is only my humble opinion but I have already learned from my mistakes.
I humbly 100% Disagree with this statement!
When you shoot your unregulated gun the hammer spring is fighting the pressure in you gun. That's why you have a curved shot string. 
Once you see at what air pressure you get your best FPS (or your target FPS) with your current set up.
All you need to do is set the regulator to that PSI/BAR and you will have a consistant FPS at that speed for more shots than you would if it was unregulated.
Fill to max PSI of your gun and all the way down to the regulator PSI it will shoot consistently.
As for Lane or Huma? I have a Lane and it works well. But his customer service is a bit on the rough side. He's a mechinist not a people person. LOL!
If I am ever in need of another regulator I'll be ordering the Huma. But both are adjustable and both do exactly what they are intended to do.
Good Luck!
Yes, that's the simple way to understand how it works but things aren't as simple as that. For a start, the reg takes up airspace in the tube reducing the available air. Then if you adjust the reg to your sweet spot, your valve will be allowing a lot more air than is necessary for that pressure because it is designed to work over a wide range e.g 230 bar - 130 bar. The size of the plenum is also important and the best size for power is the whole tube or bottle. I tried regulating my BSA Buccaneer and with only the HST and reg pressure to adjust. This guns sweet spot is between 180 and 155 bar so I set the reg at 165. Without the reg, I am getting 30 shots at an average around 915 fps and a es of about 20 fps with 15.9 JSBs from a 230 bar fill down to 155. With the reg. installed, I was getting 18 shots at an average around 905 fps and an ES around 12 fps from the same fill range. I thought that I may have been wasting air so I tried backing of the HST but that just reduced the velocity. I prefer the first set of numbers so run this gun unregulated. I did fiddle around with lower pressures to no avail. I must admit that this gun has a very efficient valve so you may get better results with other guns. What I'm trying to say is these things are not magic wands that you can't install in a bad gun and turn it into a good one or put one in a good gun and turn it into a super gun. There are just too many variables to consider. The other misconception about adding a reg. is that it will give you more power. That is just not possible.
 
"PelletPusher"Altaros regulator. I talked to Plachy Ondrej over at Altaros in Czech Republic, and his is an unfortunate story. Huma stole their technology, materials, prices, and even the website design in the early days and ran with it.
I have had a handful of dealings with Altaros. Their product is solid and they are good people. Aftersales service is excellent. The language barrier is a bit of a hurdle though.
 
"Eaglebeak"
Yes, that's the simple way to understand how it works but things aren't as simple as that. For a start, the reg takes up airspace in the tube reducing the available air. Then if you adjust the reg to your sweet spot, your valve will be allowing a lot more air than is necessary for that pressure because it is designed to work over a wide range e.g 230 bar - 130 bar. The size of the plenum is also important and the best size for power is the whole tube or bottle. I tried regulating my BSA Buccaneer and with only the HST and reg pressure to adjust. This guns sweet spot is between 180 and 155 bar so I set the reg at 165. Without the reg, I am getting 30 shots at an average around 915 fps and a es of about 20 fps with 15.9 JSBs from a 230 bar fill down to 155. With the reg. installed, I was getting 18 shots at an average around 905 fps and an ES around 12 fps from the same fill range. I thought that I may have been wasting air so I tried backing of the HST but that just reduced the velocity. I prefer the first set of numbers so run this gun unregulated. I did fiddle around with lower pressures to no avail. I must admit that this gun has a very efficient valve so you may get better results with other guns. What I'm trying to say is these things are not magic wands that you can't install in a bad gun and turn it into a good one or put one in a good gun and turn it into a super gun. There are just too many variables to consider. The other misconception about adding a reg. is that it will give you more power. That is just not possible.
Well without actually testing the gun you were moding? I can't really say where you went wrong.

But again I respectfully disagree with your broad statement that you can't improve on the guns preformance by adding a regulator.
Un-regulated vs. regulated? Regulated is always better! IMHO.
You have taken a failed attempt and made it into a broad statement implying that regulators are a bad idea.
I agree that if your resivior of air is really small and you install a large regulator the reg will take up air space, where by reducing your capacity.
But! The overall preformance and consistency of the gun will be improved. (Unless you're trying to over power the gun?)
Meaning peak velocity of an unregulated gun is not the ideal setting for the regulator. (But that's getting too deep into how a gun works) don't have that much time.

I'm not really here to convience you otherwise. It's obvious that you don't see the benefits of a regulator.
I'm cool with that!
But My advise is to Mrod.25 is to go with Huma regulator.
 
Customer service is big because I can adjust a trigger and that’s about it lol. Never messed with ripping my rifle apart so the task of doing so is a little daunting. I think both regs will work fine and i have a 330cc air cylinder so plenty of space .(177) shooting 8g pellets it doesn’t require much air lol. Thanks to everyone for their opinions and advice, it all helps me towards figuring out which is best. I am going to regulate it and probably with a lane since I’m such a novice when it comes to actually working on the rifles and I have a full video to reference. I would like to see a huma though as they seem to be a more respected brand across the industry and would make selling the rifle in the future easier. LOTS to consider lol ..hmmmm regardless I am excited to try it and worst case scenario I take it out lol
 
I’ve had nothing but good experience with the Lane regulators I bought. Robert lane has multiply YouTube videos about his regulators and downloadable web instructions. The regulators come packaged very well with rebuild kits and drill bit. His prices are reasonable and shipping was only 10 days to the US. I didn’t try the Huma because Lane regulators met all my needs. 
 
Wow,
You are going to make me have to type a treatise, my apologies to any readers.
The first is "more shots". For me, my shot string is defined by a maximum spread in velocity of less than 2 percent. Even if I get 100 shots, any which are outside of that 2 percent maximum velocity variation are unimportant, as they cause too much variation in pellet strikes at longer distances. Most people want their airguns to be accurate first and foremost. Any shots which are less accurate are simply not as useful for anything other than bragging rights. A properly tuned air rifle will almost always give MORE shots which have less than a 2 percent variation. An unregulated gun can (in some cases) give more total shots, but usually less shots within that magic 2 percent. What does 2 percent mean? As an example, with JSB Exact King .25 caliber 25.39 grain pellets, you will have slightly less than a 1 inch drop variation yards (.64 inches according to Chairgun Pro). This would still be a usable headshot on most small critters, but it is at the edge.

Impedance 1 and Impedance 2, the beauty of Plenum: I beg your forgiveness, I am an Engineer by trade, everything is a math model to me. If you are walking through a crowded store at the mall, people brush up against you, or partially block your way, they are "impeding your flow". Arrive at the store early in the morning when fewer people are there, and you can flow through the store more quickly, you are "impeded less". Impedance is a measure of how much your motion, or flow is slowed down or disturbed. With a non-regulated airgun, you have what I call "impedance 1", it represents the resistance to air flow in the valve, through the port from the valve to the bore, and through the bore to the back of the pellet. All airguns impede air flow to some degree, some are worse than others. Your air pressure tries to overcome that "impedance" in order to do the "work" of accelerating the pellet. Higher flow valves, larger ports and bolts which are shaped to allow easy air flow REDUCE your impedance (which is typically a good thing). Making those changes will increase the maximum velocity your pellet is launched at. Now the dark side of low impedance. A rock in a stream makes less ripples when the water is moving slow, than when the water is moving fast. Anything blocking a flow of a fluid (to include compressed air) has a "non linear" effect. The faster the air is flowing, the more that impedance affects the overall flow. Air moving more slowly is affected less by impedance. This is a good thing with an unregulated air rifle, as it helps keep a more constant pellet velocity, even as pressure is dropping in the air tank. (A well designed balanced valve does this function better).  Many air rifles have a air flow restriction device installed in the air path after the valve to increase the impedance, to enhance a more constant velocity in your shot string. Now, Impedance 2, When you add a regulator, you now add a new "restriction" to the air flow. Now we have to add the Resistance to Air Flow from the regulator. The regulator is in between your high pressure tank, and the lower air pressure experienced by your valve. Regulators are SLOW, they may take an entire second to get back to the regulated pressure they are set for. A pellet, once it has started motion, is typically gone in less than 1/1000 of a second. We cannot consider the regulator as a significant source of air, once you pull the trigger.. it is just too slow. However, there is a volume of air between the regulator's back side, and the face of the valve; this is called the "plenum". Your plenum space, which holds a small amount of the regulated air, is what is primarily used to launch your pellet. If a plenum is too small, it will limit the peak velocity a pellet can be launched at. If it is too large, then it subtracts from the total space for high pressure air in the Air Tank/Tube. Plenum space is always a compromise. To get a larger plenum, you are typically trading shot count, A smaller plenum does not eat much shot count, but it also limits you to a lower range of velocities. Bringing it all together. If you start with a high impedance air rifle, then improve the valve, porting and reduce bolt restrictions... and then add a regulator with a properly sized plenum. Usable shot counts and velocity WILL go up... Period, always. But that is more work than just adding a regulator. If you are just dropping in a regulator and want to know the probable results, this will be driven by the impedance of your air rifle, and the plenum size. As a reference, if you are able to hit 40+ FPE (with a .25 caliber 25 grain pellet) when your unregulated air pressure has dropped to 1800 PSI, congratulation, you have a low impedance air rifle.
I am merciful, and will stop here. Hope this helps.
Critical related topics not covered: Balanced valves and their effect on constant velocity. Ideal pressure versus plenum volume, Dump valves and their interactions with regulators, Regulator over-shoot on the first shot in a string, Refill rates of different brands of Regulators, Requirement of vent hole for some Regulators, Pellet weight impact on FPE for a given tuning. Bore diameter and its affect on pellet energy, etc... There is much more to this topic.
 
I think it's important to know what you are trying to accomplish with the Regulator. It is not a panacea. The purpose is to balance the relationship between the hammer tension and the valve. There are limitations to a certain rifles and what the regulator will do. My Friend AJshoots would always tune his rifles for maximum power. He is OK with a few shots. A regulator would actually impede a power tune and making it unattainable. In certain circumstances, Eaglebeak would be correct in that the regualtor would impede a higher power setting and mess up the shot count. 
In tuning my .25 Marauder adding a Regulator did not solve my wide shot string or fix my shot count. Once I added the TSS, correcting the hammer spring tension, everything fell into place. Thanks to guys like Addertooth and many others, if I would have tried for higher power setting, the regulator would have been counterproductive as the Marauder has limitations. For me, 40 FPE was enough and if I wanted more power and shots, it would have been better to choose a different rifle or accept the lower shot count ( and the regulator may have been unnecessary). 
So it's important to know what what your rifle can do and what you want it to do. The regulator will only balance things out, if it is set up appropriately to start (hammerspring tension and valve opening. If you are working with the capabilities of the rifle, it should in fact decrease your extreme spread, decrease your shot variance, and increase your shot count. Usually, if you are trying to maximize the power out of a rifle, the regulator may be unnecessary.

PS- Watching Brian's video with the Matador, I believe, thay have changed the regulator so it will work with a power-tune. 
FYI- spend all the time you need before you begin and make sure you can do what you want. If this is for a Marauder, Addertooth, Dairyboy, and Travis have many posts on the
Marauder forum to help with the "how to's" and why
Best of luck with your project
 
Nobody talks about the Audrius I installed this on my AT44 long QE and took a total of more than 500 rounds to tune this beast to give me 70 usable shots @ 100 bar, between 840-806fps 67 of this shots were 840-824 fps sorry to tell ya all but humma and altaros don’t get even closer and the Audrius had been on the market way before the Altaros and Humma. Unfortunately, here in the US the Audrius regulator is the underdog and cost just $69.00 .
 
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