Umarex Leaning towards a Zelos as a first PCP

I do not have a Zellos or M60b but I have an original Avenger and 3 P35s (guess which I prefer). One of the things I object to on my Avenger is the rear of the shroud is supported by a plastic piece and the front is too. There is a thin plastic spacer piece inside the shroud. The P35s have aluminum caps on both ends and the back one can be slid along the barrel to make space for an in shroud moderator. In addition, there is an aluminum piece screwed to the end of the barrel with an O-ring outside to space the shroud from the barrel and center it. This is a much more robust way to support the shroud. The P35s also come with fairly effective baffles in the shroud, the Avenger shroud is empty and it is loud.

The metal of the Avenger action is hidden under a plastic cover and I have seen no definitive information on the material. Hopefully it is aluminum. The stock of my original avenger is a three piece plastic piece and very unimpressive, the picatinny rail for a bipod is so flimsy it is hardly usable. I doubt the wood stock version or the Avenge X has a stock issue, however. The Avenge X may not have some of the other issues.

On the plus side, my Avenger has a nice pin probe for the pellets and I can fill it with a foster fitting. The magazines also work better than my P35s and are inexpensive (Carm magazines for the P35 are even better, however). The hammer spring in my Avenger can handle higher regulator settings than the one in my P35s.

It's not clear when you are adjusting the trigger on my Avenger if the adjustment screws are threaded into metal or plastic.
 

For a first PCP I would stick with a simple gun, and buy a refurbished from Airgun Revisions. He goes through them and checks them out. You are not going to get a surprise screw up that was never qc checked and will save a lot of money. He also has a .25 Kratos that I would suggest if you don't mind the length. Either way, save yourself some worry and buy from him so that you will have someone who knows what they are doing checking out your gun before you get it.
 
I strongly suspect most who recommend guns that cost 3 to 4 times as much have never tried a SPA built gun or tried one years ago. People that shoot one of my P35s ask how to get one.

The Zellos and M60b seem to be in pretty short supply. In a 22 or 177 I think the P35 and Bullshark are great. For more power in a 25 a P35X would be great. Different style guns but accurate and powerful enough for what the OP described.
 
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I strongly suspect most who recommend guns that cost 3 to 4 times as much have never tried a SPA built gun or tried one years ago. People that shoot one of my P35s ask how to get one.

The Zellos and M60b seem to be in pretty short supply. In a 22 or 177 I think the P35 and Bullshark are great. For more power in a 25 a P35X would be great. Different style guns but accurate and powerful enough for what the OP described.
Jim you ain’t wrong. !!
I’ve got 5 SPA guns and they all are very surprisingly good. Accurate, well made and astheticslly pleasing.
It would take a huge improvement in accuracy and materials to make me think of other guns.
Value per dollar .. SPA can’t be beat. I firmly stand by this Statement
 
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I strongly suspect most who recommend guns that cost 3 to 4 times as much have never tried a SPA built gun or tried one years ago. People that shoot one of my P35s ask how to get one.

The Zellos and M60b seem to be in pretty short supply. In a 22 or 177 I think the P35 and Bullshark are great. For more power in a 25 a P35X would be great. Different style guns but accurate and powerful enough for what the OP described.
I have more air guns from Snowpeak than any other manufacturer now.
Crosman the second manufacturer is far behind, and mostly Crosman non PCP classics.
 
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Same here. I really enjoy my Zelos. I just need a place to shoot farther than 15 yards in my basement. This being my first bullpup, I'm realizing it might be my new favorite design. With that being said, now I really want to try an FX air gun side by side and see for myself if there's a difference and if it'll be worth it. I'm particularly looking at the Wildcat MKIII BT Compact.
 
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Same here. I really enjoy my Zelos. I just need a place to shoot farther than 15 yards in my basement. This being my first bullpup, I'm realizing it might be my new favorite design. With that being said, now I really want to try an FX air gun side by side and see for myself if there's a difference and if it'll be worth it. I'm particularly looking at the Wildcat MKIII BT Compact.
You got 2 yards on me… I shot discretely 33yards in yard. Cut out a window in my shed.