LF accurate subsonic cartridge repeater

[airgee]

I have a 10 meter range in my house and I enjoy my triumph 747 and air Venturi 746m pistols plus an avanti 853 rifle at that range. For powder shooting, however, I've discovered the joy of the ruger mk3. It's like shooting a stream of water into the clown's mouth at the fair.

My quest to repeat that experience in an air gun has led me to some CO2 BB pistols such as a colt replica and a Luger rp.08 replica. However, I have been less than entirely satisfied at the range of these pistols beyond 10 feet.

I think that I could be satisfied with either a pistol or rifle that can reach out to 10 Meters or beyond, so long as it is capable of accuracy at 10 meters or more, and so long as it is semiautomatic plus subsonic, such that it will not over power my 10M trap.

Any suggestions?

 

[Marksman3006]

So we are talking powder burners right? If so.....a clark 10/22 shooting .22lr subsonic match ammo. I wouldnt shoot it inside tho.

 

[airgee]

No. I want an air gun, rifle or pistol, that is subsonic, semiautomatic, and competitition accurate up to at least 10 meters.

 

[Marksman3006]

airgeeNo. I want an air gun, rifle or pistol, that is subsonic, semiautomatic, and competitition accurate up to at least 10 meters.

The word cartridge in the title is what was confusing. Not sure about a semi auto airgun that fits the bill. In know fx makes a semi auto.....Ive never shot one tho.

 

[airgee]

"Marksman3006"

"airgee"No. I want an air gun, rifle or pistol, that is subsonic, semiautomatic, and competitition accurate up to at least 10 meters.

The word cartridge in the title is what was confusing. Not sure about a semi auto airgun that fits the bill. In know fx makes a semi auto.....Ive never shot one tho.

Thanks. I meant Co2 cartridge because I expect the fill type will all be supersonic, and thus loud, and likely not trap friendly.

That said, I can see that Benjamin makes this fill type single shot that is subsonic (just barely) at 900 fps.

http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Benjamin_Discovery_Rifle_Pump/1534

I have seen other Benjamn rifles that are semiauto, so maybe they have what I am looking for. Yet, I also doubt that 900 fps is trap friendly. I get the occasional ricochet with my 500 fps pistol. It's not enough to reach me, just double taps the target off the spring loaded plate at the rear of the trap. So I would likely prefer less than 900 fps. I'm just not sure what is available.

 

[JohnL57]

I don't know about the accuracy, but Sig Sauer has a couple semi-auto guns, the MCX series. I've seen some posts here about them, so a search should get you some info. They use 88 gram Co2 cylinders and have a 30-round belt fed magazine. You may be able to adapt a refillable bottle to the gun.
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[zebra]

Steyr makes an accurate semi-auto target air pistol. I think it's called the LP50 but I think it's pcp and not co2. 

Semi auto co2 guns are rarely accurate. 

 

[Ziabeam]

"airgee"....I've discovered the joy of the ruger mk3. It's like shooting a stream of water into the clown's mouth at the fair.

My quest to repeat that experience in an air gun has led me to some CO2 BB pistols such as a colt replica and a Luger rp.08 replica. However, I have been less than entirely satisfied at the range of these pistols beyond 10 feet.

I think that I could be satisfied with either a pistol or rifle that can reach out to 10 Meters or beyond, so long as it is capable of accuracy at 10 meters or more, and so long as it is semiautomatic plus subsonic, such that it will not over power my 10M trap.

Any suggestions?

Since you're fond of the Ruger MK3, take a look at the Crosman MK2 (.177) or MK1 (.22). Both are very capable at 10 meters, and well beyond that when properly tuned and tricked out... think 1/2" at 50 yards in the case of an LD1 converted Crosman Mark1 CO2 powered sleeper, which can also be adapted to shoot HPA, all of which represent a lot of bang for your $$

Crosman Mark1 (stock form)


LD1 Conversion (examples)


I have 3 of these and swear by them.

 

[Ziabeam]

...Just noticed your "semi-auto" requirement...

Drawing a blank on that one. Have several SA CO2 pistols, but none that are exceptionally accurate at 10 yards.
The best one I own will average 1" groups at 10 yards, sometimes better sometimes worse. Not terrible, but nothing to write home about.

S&W 586 similar to this;
http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Smith_Wesson_586_6_inch_Barrel/115

Blog on the S&W 586;
Smith & Wesson 586 & 686 revolvers[/QUOTE]http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2006/03/smith-wesson-586-686-revolvers/embed/

There's this option which I hear IS quite accurate, but I have no personal experience with them;
http://www.citlink.net/~schattler/drulov.htm