The OP also mentioned target shooting at 30 yards. My P35-22's top 30 yard challenge target is a 200/15X. My P35-177's best is a 194, I think. My P35-25s best is a 192. I retuned the 25 to raise it's power and it's accuracy improved a lot. I'm messing with the tune of the 177 to see if I can improve it at the moment. I haven't shot the 25 much after the retune, I am supposed to have a new barrel on the way. The 192 is out of only a few targets since the retune, I'm sure it will do better. They are accurate guns. The 10 ring on the target we use is about 1/8th of an inch in diameter. The X-"ring" is a dot.