Looking around for a new high end scope.

Have owned a few different "high end" scopes at around $1,000. That being said I just bought a Arken Sh4 and EP5 for my dad's airguns and wow! For that price point and the what we use put airguns for (mainly target shooting out to 200y and small game hunting) I don't see the need for another $1,000 or more optic. Plus these have a lifetime warranty unlikely of the "higher end" optics. Just my 2 cents
 
Have owned a few different "high end" scopes at around $1,000. That being said I just bought a Arken Sh4 and EP5 for my dad's airguns and wow! For that price point and the what we use put airguns for (mainly target shooting out to 200y and small game hunting) I don't see the need for another $1,000 or more optic. Plus these have a lifetime warranty unlikely of the "higher end" optics. Just my 2 cents

I don't know about that. March scopes will warrantee any of their scopes. You don't even need evidence you bought it. I've heard of people sending in their scopes to have the reticle changed, free of charge. I think on a lot of these high-end scope companies, the warrantee is pretty deluxe.
 
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I don't know about that. March scopes will warrantee any of their scopes. You don't even need evidence you bought it. I've heard of people sending in their scopes to have the reticle changed, free of charge. I think on a lot of these high-end scope companies, the warrantee is pretty deluxe.
Swarovski, at least on their high end stuff and not the built to price stuff, has a short warranty but that is a legal thing with warranties in Germany. They will fix your high end optics free way past warranty. My experience was with Swarovski SLC binoculars that one of the screw out eye cups broke - don't let stupid people touch your high end stuff. So my fault it was broken, and worse yet not purchased through Swarovski authorized dealer and several years past warranty. I got a massive price break from an american indian whose tribe had purchased many binoculars from Swarovski, and they had two unspoken for ones. Brand new, sealed in box still, hundreds below MAP pricing. I called Swarovski, was honest and they said send it in, to Germany, I had to pay shipping there. Less than two months later it came back, on their dime with a detailed report of checks/cleaning/repairs. No charge. I know of people with top line Zeiss, not price point Zeiss, who have had the same experience.
 
I am placing my post here simply because I do not know how to close this box once it has been opened. (Is it only me that has this difficulty?) Anyway, I want to briefly comment here regarding what I am leaning about March scopes that connects to several posts in this thread.
One, I have been scrutinizing the March lineup. (Thank you for the link.) I had been asked by Glenroiland (and maybe Smok3y) if any of the March line caught my eye. Several have. My short shooting distances and penchant for a light scope caused me to favor the March F and March Compact lines. The MRSP for these scopes is somewhere around $3,000, I believe (?), but they can be found for significantly less. For my purposes they have either 42 or 52mm objectives and the magnification goes to 24 or 25x.

Two, an interesting matter is March’s dual reticle, which has features of both first- and second-focal plane scopes. I only saw this last night.

Three, I have heard here and there that compact scopes compromise image quality. Is this true? Would it be true of a higher-end company like March? Thanks. S7


I don't know about that. March scopes will warrantee any of their scopes. You don't even need evidence you bought it. I've heard of people sending in their scopes to have the reticle changed, free of charge. I think on a lot of these high-end scope companies, the warrantee is pretty deluxe.
Here’s what YouTube guy Michael Mahoney said two years ago: March has a five-year warranty due to Japanese law. But if you send your scope back they only charge for the part. I cannot speak further; I am simply repeating what someone who has several March scopes said. By the way, while his viewership is modest, and he is not the most professional of YouTubers, I learned something interesting or important from each of his March videos that I have watched. Thanks. S7
 
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Have owned a few different "high end" scopes at around $1,000. That being said I just bought a Arken Sh4 and EP5 for my dad's airguns and wow! For that price point and the what we use put airguns for (mainly target shooting out to 200y and small game hunting) I don't see the need for another $1,000 or more optic. Plus these have a lifetime warranty unlikely of the "higher end" optics. Just my 2 cents
Greetings, Ozark.
If it were not for the weight of these two Arken scopes, I would almost certainly buy one. They are spoken of highly unusually and consistently. I wonder if the new lightweight model will have the same optics that so many rave about. Do you mind saying which scopes in the thousand-dollar range you are referring to? Thanks. S7
 
I am placing my post here simply because I do not know how to close this box once it has been opened. (Is it only me that has this difficulty?) Anyway, I want to briefly comment here regarding what I am leaning about March scopes that connects to several posts in this thread.
One, I have been scrutinizing the March lineup. (Thank you for the link.) I had been asked by Glenroiland (and maybe Smok3y) if any of the March line caught my eye. Several have. My short shooting distances and penchant for a light scope caused me to favor the March F and March Compact lines. The MRSP for these scopes is somewhere around $3,000, I believe (?), but they can be found for significantly less. For my purposes they have either 42 or 52mm objectives and the magnification goes to 24 or 25x.

Two, an interesting matter is March’s dual reticle, which has features of both first- and second-focal plane scopes. I only saw this last night.
Three, I have heard here and there that compact scopes compromise image quality. Is this true? Would it be true of a higher-end company like March? Thanks. S7
Here’s what YouTube guy Michael Mahoney said two years ago: March has a five-year warranty due to Japanese law. But if you send your scope back they only charge for the part. I cannot speak further; I am simply repeating what someone who has several March scopes said. By the way, while his viewership is modest, and he is not the most professional of YouTubers, I learned something interesting or important from each of his March videos that I have watched. Thanks. S7
 
One more thing on the March lineup: Every one of the dozens of scopes I looked at across about six different lines all had a 10-yard parallax. I do not think I have seen this with any other company. S7
True on all counts. I have not had to use their customer service yet (hopefully I never have to). I contacted them to ask if they'd cover damage if it was put on an airgun and they replied that they'll cover it (no matter what it's put on....they won't even ask). Makes sense if you're spending that much. However, their glass is crystal clear, bright, no chromatic aberrations at higher mags (none that I see), and image clarity and brightness doesn't suffer at all at the higher mags. It's built very well, and not as heavy as a tank. I'm impressed with March, but I almost never recommend it because I know people don't usually ask for high end scopes.
 
True on all counts. I have not had to use their customer service yet (hopefully I never have to). I contacted them to ask if they'd cover damage if it was put on an airgun and they replied that they'll cover it (no matter what it's put on....they won't even ask). Makes sense if you're spending that much. However, their glass is crystal clear, bright, no chromatic aberrations at higher mags (none that I see), and image clarity and brightness doesn't suffer at all at the higher mags. It's built very well, and not as heavy as a tank. I'm impressed with March, but I almost never recommend it because I know people don't usually ask for high end scopes.
Got it. And yes, that price tag is daunting for most people, including me. But I am the type to spend $400 or $500 multiple times over a period of time and not feel too badly about it. Perhaps less (unneeded) scopes and one or two great ones is the way for me to go.
Was it you who said someone found fault with the March 3-24x? I ask because M. Mahoney, the YouTube guy, said that he had an optical problem with the 3-24 but not with the 2.5-25x. I forgot exactly what it was. Thanks. S7
 
Got it. And yes, that price tag is daunting for most people, including me. But I am the type to spend $400 or $500 multiple times over a period of time and not feel too badly about it. Perhaps less (unneeded) scopes and one or two great ones is the way for me to go.
Was it you who said someone found fault with the March 3-24x? I ask because M. Mahoney, the YouTube guy, said that he had an optical problem with the 3-24 but not with the 2.5-25x. I forgot exactly what it was. Thanks. S7
Never found fault with my 2.5-25x, or any March for that matter, lol. But it would stress me out if I did, lol.
 
Never found fault with my 2.5-25x, or any March for that matter, lol. But it would stress me out if I did, lol.
That's what I would expect, and what I would think. But someone, on this thread, I believe, said someone (??) found a problem with the 3-24x. If this person, whom I may track down on this now seven-page thread, was watching the video I saw, Mahoney the YouTuber is the guy. I think it was some distortion or chromatic abberation on either higher or lower power. S7
 
That's what I would expect, and what I would think. But someone, on this thread, I believe, said someone (??) found a problem with the 3-24x. If this person, whom I may track down on this now seven-page thread, was watching the video I saw, Mahoney the YouTuber is the guy. I think it was some distortion or chromatic abberation on either higher or lower power. S7
Probably on the higher end, but I haven't observed it
 
I own Nightforce, Sightron, Athlon, Element Optics and many more. Nightforce only focuses down to 25 yards (plenty close for powder burners) and has great glass. Athlon works well, focuses down to 10 yards, but glass not so good (milky looking at high magnification). Element is pretty low budget if you want bench rest. My money is on Sightron — the ones with ED glass (Extra Low Dispersion). They are super clear and focus down to 10 yards. I have the 45x45 benchrest non-zoom with ED glass. I was able to pick up from Grafs on sale for under a thousand.
Greetings, rsfrid. I am rereading these posts and came across your comments, and logged your experiences. Also, you said, "Element is pretty low budget." Not all are, right? Are you referring to the Helix or Helix and Titan? Thanks. S7
 
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It's good to see you've been diligently doing your research on choosing a scope. In regards to short bodied scopes having compromises in image quality, you are correct. A scope with a high zoom erector ratio (5× and up) and a scope body usually under 13-14", the compromises are shallow/narrow depth of field (DOF), finicky eyebox, and sensitive parallax adjustment.

I'm not sure if you ever visited this forum as part of your research. The forum layout might look familiar to you comparing it to AGN lol. If you want to expand your horizons and research in scopes, I suggest heading over to the Snipers Hide forum. Look under the subforum category "Observation and Sighting Devices". If you can get by the scope snobbery and flaming, you'll be alright lol. Don't get me wrong. There's still a lot of good info on that forum that will be a benefit to your knowledge.

Check out this comparison review by one of their members, Glassaholic.


It's lengthy but a good read if you want to know what separates "high end", Alpha Class/Tier 1 scopes from the others. It's very well written and how a review on optics should be done IMO.

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I know the link I posted above caters to powder burners but a lot of the members are rimfire shooters as well. Get what you need out of it.
 
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@Sanctify7

It's good to see you've been diligently doing your research on choosing a scope. In regards to short bodied scopes having compromises in image quality, you are correct. A scope with a high zoom erector ratio (5× and up) and a scope body usually under 13-14", the compromises are shallow/narrow depth of field (DOF), finicky eyebox, and sensitive parallax adjustment.

If you want to expand your horizons and research in scopes, I suggest heading over to the Snipers Hide forum. Look under the subforum category "Observation and Sighting Devices". If you can get by the scope snobbery and flaming, you'll be alright lol. Don't get me wrong. There's still a lot of good info on that forum that will be a benefit to your knowledge.

Check out this comparison review by one of their members, Glassaholic.


It's lengthy but a good read if you want to know what separates "high end", Alpha Class/Tier 1 scopes from the others. It's very well written and how a review on optics should be done IMO.
That is the best review I have seen to date. Thank you for the link and info
 
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Greetings, rsfrid. I am rereading these posts and came across your comments, and logged your experiences. Also, you said, "Element is pretty low budget." Not all are, right? Are you referring to the Helix or Helix and Titan? Thanks. S7
There are three price ranges, but no ED glass. While they may be popular amongst hunters, for long range bench rest at known distances, single focal length lenses stand out. The Sightrons with ED glass are good. The March scopes (High Master) with multiple ED elements are better. The ED (similar to Flourite elements) elements work to reduce or eliminate chromatic aberrations which manifest themselves as color fringing particularly at long distances. It's not about money alone, it's about lens group designs (and patents) with Japanese being world leaders in this design.