Lubing with Gunzilla

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I've had a couple of barrels that benefit from Gunzilla lubed projectiles...

I just found a couple tins I lubed maybe 18 months ago in this state....
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Luckily it's only one full tin, and a couple tin remnants like this one.

The carrier in Gunzilla seems to have gassed off, leaving the solids. This looks like oxidation but isn't, as it can be wiped off easily. It's almost like a toothpaste consistency.

I was warned of this but hadn't yet encountered it myself.

I'll still use the Gunzilla as a lube and especially as a barrel cleaner, but will be more careful not to get too far ahead of my active consumption with lubed projectiles.
 
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I've had a couple of barrels that benefit from Gunzilla lubed projectiles...

I just found a couple tins I lubed maybe 18 months ago in this state....
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Luckily it's only one full tin, and a couple tin remnants like this one.

The carrier in Gunzilla seems to have gassed off, leaving the solids. This looks like oxidation but isn't, as it can be wiped off easily. It's almost like a toothpaste consistency.

I was warned of this but hadn't yet encountered it myself.

I'll still use the Gunzilla as a lube and especially as a barrel cleaner, but will be more careful not to get too far ahead of my active consumption with lubed projectiles.
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Good to know. I've seen a few other "dry lubes" that leave a residue like that, but I've never seen Gunzilla do it. I myself try to keep a spare tin just for lubing prior to loading. Thanks for sharing this information.

-Michael
 
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The evaporation of the carrier in Gunzilla may be related to the typically low humidity here in AZ. So I'm not sure t'll be a problem everywhere. But yes, I shared to maybe prevent a fellow airgunner from needing to wash the creamy residue off of some pellets to revive them like I'll need to do with these.

I'm mighty glad I didn't prelube the other 11 tins of this batch!
 
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Franklink said:
I've had a couple of barrels that benefit from Gunzilla lubed projectiles...

I just found a couple tins I lubed maybe 18 months ago in this state....
View attachment 384848

Luckily it's only one full tin, and a couple tin remnants like this one.

The carrier in Gunzilla seems to have gassed off, leaving the solids. This looks like oxidation but isn't, as it can be wiped off easily. It's almost like a toothpaste consistency.

I was warned of this but hadn't yet encountered it myself.

I'll still use the Gunzilla as a lube and especially as a barrel cleaner, but will be more careful not to get too far ahead of my active consumption with lubed projectiles.
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I found an old tin several years ago that looked just like tat but X 10.. Love the stuff but unless it's air tight it does that right there.
 
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I wonder if there's a practical way to lube a tin of pellets with just wax.. maybe some kind of liquid wax? I know that we used parafane to wax the table saw a skill saw for wood to slide easily.. and id think that the correct amount would not leave a residue, plus no lead on hands when reloading and no oxidation..
I have to tin of 454 lead balls that look like that after 20 years and they didn't have anything on them.
Mark
 
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Star7 said:
I think that it is just the wax solids and not oxidation or corrosion. I suspect (but could be wrong) that they would shoot just fine.
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100% agree on the wax solids. As I stated, it rubs off, think cream or toothpaste consistency.

I'm not willing to shoot them as-is. For a couple reasons, this stuff is more tenacious than the liquid form of Gunzilla. I don't really want to gum up the barrel with the solids. And it may not even gum up the barrel, but just thinking g that it might would mess with my confidence in the barrel and gun. Maybe just superstitious. Also, it looks like it attached itself unevenly, maybe imparting imbalance? I'm envisioning the process that created this mess as a little microenvironment inside the tin-like making rock candy. The Gunzilla solvents gassed off, likely taking some of the rest of the ingredients into the air inside the tin, then it somewhat crystallized back out of the air (not crystals but similar process) kinda attaching itself in varying degrees to the best "seeded" areas of the pellets.

All in all, not something I want to shoot through my barrel now that it's not the same composition as what it used to be.
 
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markhooper said:
I wonder if there's a practical way to lube a tin of pellets with just wax.. maybe some kind of liquid wax? I know that we used parafane to wax the table saw a skill saw for wood to slide easily.. and id think that the correct amount would not leave a residue, plus no lead on hands when reloading and no oxidation..
I have to tin of 454 lead balls that look like that after 20 years and they didn't have anything on them.
Mark
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Search Pledge within the forum and you'll find a bunch of guys sharing thoughts on using pledge furniture wax. From what I've read there, the game plan with that product is for the aerosol to evap off, leaving the wax.

I've also read of bicycle chain wax being used as a pellet lube.
 
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I just treat my barrels with it when/if I ever clean them. Seems to extend cleaning interval by almost 3x
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Yep yep. I use it to clean and treat the barrel, as well as a pellet lube.

More recently I started using it to lube slugs and it has thus far accomplished the goal of eliminating the common issue of slugs leaded up a barrel, at least in this particular barrel. I'm 4 boxes into my stash (NSA so 1200 shots). I've pulled and cleaned the barrel a couple times, every few hundred shots, and have yet to find any leadbflecks on the patches. In fact, its only been taking a couple patches to get to a completely clean one.

Gunzilla is good stuff, just don't want to get too far ahead on lubing. Or you end up with a mess.
 
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So, you treat the barrel with it. The barrel must look like this after a nonspecific amount of time. Also tooth paste is gritty. Is this stuff gritty feeling?
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Between frequent pull through and less frequent patches on a rod, it never sits in my barrel as long as these tins sat. Looking through the barrels when off the gun has not shown the residue/gunk/buildup like shown on the pellets in the first post here.

No, not gritty, perhaps toothpaste is a bad example. Just the consistency of toothpaste, like a cream.
 
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markhooper said:
I wonder if there's a practical way to lube a tin of pellets with just wax.. maybe some kind of liquid wax? I know that we used parafane to wax the table saw a skill saw for wood to slide easily.. and id think that the correct amount would not leave a residue, plus no lead on hands when reloading and no oxidation..

I have to tin of 454 lead balls that look like that after 20 years and they didn't have anything on them.

Mark

Paraffin is a hydrocarbon and products containing hydrocarbons should never be used anywhere on an air gun that is subject to high pressure. It tends to explode! Ever hear of dieseling an air gun? That can ruin a barrel not to mention the possibility of injury to the shooter. It could also be considered an illegal firearm because the propellant is not solely compressed air. Just be mindful of the chemicals you put in your guns. I'll get down off my soapbox now.
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thank you for the info.. I never thought about it dieseling.. I well remember my rws 34+48 dieseling after cleaning and even with the special chamber oil for the chamber and barrel..
do you have any suggestions? just thought if there's was something like a liquid wax that would dry and seal the pellet, plus add lube it would be good.. I mostly shoot 22 PCP and I'm very careful and only oil action where there's no high pressure, I don't honestly know, but I would assume that it's even more critical on PCP guns than spring gun as more power and pressure..
I did see one place offering powder coated big bore slugs.. seems like a expensive one plus I'd think powder coating would cost the barrel..
myself I've never lubed pellets and I do like seeing the copper coated pellets, but never tried any..
I did just read about a guy using copper jacket 45 APC bullets in his Texan airforce 454..
makes me wonder if there's reloading bullets copper jacket that would fit our 22 pellet guns especially.. and if I ever get a larger caliber like 30 or 357 if there's reloading bullets that would fit correctly and not damage the gun..
I appreciate any information and knowledge.. it's not possible to learn or know too much.
thank you
Mark
 
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It will be interesting to check out the slug in the photo lubed and sized in my .510 hammer. First time trying. There is learning involved so it will only get better.
I do have a Sam Yang 909 with epp-ug slugs, but they did not come sized. I lubed a number of them with krytech. What I'm going to do is shoot the "as cast" .458 vs. beeswax sized .457 epp-ug slugs and post the results.

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