FX M4 impact issues

[greenbeans]

been there the ghost can't even shoot slugs so 2k for a pellet gun.

Have both love both. if I would put half the time and money I put in the impact into the ghost it would shoot slugs with a custom barrel. lol… shoot slugs through the stock liner the impact comes with and show me how well it does… FX sells you (and me) a straw for a barrel to allow for cheap change of TR but I’d rather pay $200 more and have a proper barrel…

Brother, most people criticizing FX guns here own or owned multiple. The frustration is that FX does not fix well known issues over multiple generations just because they get away with it through pushing their guns in a, nicely put, slightly optimistic and omitting presentation by their “sponsored” (i.e., paid) influencers. Plus their lack of QC. Look at what happened to FX USA, should tell you about the company…

And while I understand that someone relatively new to the hobby might not like to hear that they fell prey to these tactics and see their new 2k plus toy depicted in anything but the most gleeful manner, it’s no personal attack. We’ve all been there and like our FXs for what they are. Stuff that needs fixing. And a ghost, for example, does not need fixing. But its barrel can’t shoot slugs so if you want to shoot slugs with it get a custom barrel. There, fixed.

 

[addison]

The guy that sales the screw replacement for the impacts here on the forms man does that man have some sweet looking rigs!! I spent way to much time looking and fantasizing on how to get his setups and have his variety of guns!

 

[weevil]

Have both love both. if I would put half the time and money I put in the impact into the ghost it would shoot slugs with a custom barrel. lol… shoot slugs through the stock liner the impact comes with and show me how well it does… FX sells you (and me) a straw for a barrel to allow for cheap change of TR but I’d rather pay $200 more and have a proper barrel…

Brother, most people criticizing FX guns here own or owned multiple. The frustration is that FX does not fix well known issues over multiple generations just because they get away with it through pushing their guns in a, nicely put, slightly optimistic and omitting presentation by their “sponsored” (i.e., paid) influencers. Plus their lack of QC. Look at what happened to FX USA, should tell you about the company…

And while I understand that someone relatively new to the hobby might not like to hear that they fell prey to these tactics and see their new 2k plus toy depicted in anything but the most gleeful manner, it’s no personal attack. We’ve all been there and like our FXs for what they are. Stuff that needs fixing. And a ghost, for example, does not need fixing. But its barrel can’t shoot slugs so if you want to shoot slugs with it get a custom barrel. There, fixed.

Favorite toy syndrome. The trigger is often set super light. Just gotta shepherd the sufferer into a safe space.

 

[greenbeans]

Favorite toy syndrome. The trigger is often set super light. Just gotta shepherd the sufferer into a safe space.

lol, safe space… Maybe this will help: The new trigger in the M4 is actually a masterpiece (to me). Love it, feels completely immovable/static until you give it the slightest squeeze, which is followed by an ultra crisp break.

 

[weevil]

lol, safe space… Maybe this will help: The new trigger in the M4 is actually a masterpiece (to me). Love it, feels completely immovable/static until you give it the slightest squeeze, which is followed by an ultra crisp break.

To be clear, I’m saying that the trigger on the guy you responded to is set a little too light.

 

[greenbeans]

To be clear, I’m saying that the trigger on the guy you responded to is set a little too light.

Hahahah yeah I gotcha. Just wanted to help creating the safe space with a positive comment about the impact

 

[JDGriz]

Brother, most people criticizing FX guns here own or owned multiple.

I watched dissasembly vids and never owned an FX, based on what I saw. Clearly designed with tinkering and for tinkering with functional performance taking a backseat, but tinkering is not an end in itself.
The best part (choice) is no part, and the best process is no process, even if and when modularity is a worthy goal.

 

[Troy Bakel]

There are those who can tune, maintain, customize, and shoot an FX Impact with accuracy and precision and thoroughly enjoy doing so ...... and then there are those who simply cannot.

~ From the "Maxims of Ptahhotep"

I have never seen nor heard of an Impact coming from the factory with : test target, Chronograph data, all the final settings delineated, and the tin of pellets used to tune the rifle.

As such, the Impact has never been factory tuned and was never meant to be shot straight out of the box and was never meant to be sold to those who are incapable of tuning the rifle to meet their needs.

 

[weevil]

There are those who can tune, maintain, customize, and shoot an FX Impact with accuracy and precision and thoroughly enjoy doing so ...... and then there are those who simply cannot.

~ From the "Maxims of Ptahhotep"

I have never seen nor heard of an Impact coming from the factory with : test target, Chronograph data, all the final settings delineated, and the tin of pellets used to tune the rifle.

As such, the Impact has never been factory tuned and was never meant to be shot straight out of the box and was never meant to be sold to those who are incapable of tuning the rifle to meet their needs.

This is from the maxims of FX USA

I was at UA buying some pellets, as you posted. The guys enjoyed your post. They tune and test before the gun leaves. I often try to twist their arm when I purchase in person. C’mon guys, I can tune it, but no, that’s their policy. Also, they don’t ask the customer to return the gun for no good reason. And if your Impact tune only works for a certain tin of pellets, you should get back with Ptahhotep.

 

[Troy Bakel]

This is from the maxims of FX USA

I was at UA buying some pellets, as you posted. The guys enjoyed your post. They tune and test before the gun leaves. I often try to twist their arm when I purchase in person. C’mon guys, I can tune it, but no, that’s their policy. Also, they don’t ask the customer to return the gun for no good reason. And if your Impact tune only works for a certain tin of pellets, you should get back with Ptahhotep.

I think you should watch the UA M4 tuning YouTube video where it is specifically stated there is NO factory tune and that Utah Air does a functional velocity test and leak check and that's it.

After stating the above the gentleman from UA pulled your so called "UA tuned" M4 from the case and reduced all the adjustments including the plenum pressure and then delineated and demonstrated using a specific pellet how YOU should tune the M4 when you get it from UA.

If what you state is actually true, which I doubt having interacted with various UA staff members, the gentleman on the video from UA needs to instruct his staff and invite you to the class.

 

[addison]

I think you and the staff at UA better watch their own M4 tuning YouTube video where it is specifically stated there is NO factory tune and that Utah Air does a functional velocity test and leak check and that's it.

I don't know if mine really got a velocity check because out the box had problem

 

[Troy Bakel]

I don't know if mine really got a velocity check because out the box had problem

As delivered each of my M3s sucked out of the box but it was because the plenum pressure, Macro, and Micro were all wrong.

My 177 had a plenum pressure of 160 bar.

So I set the plenum pressure to 70 bar, reduced the Macro and Micro to min and begain testing various weights and size pellets. Took some weeks but I ended up with two different pellets and tunes that shoot accurately from the rifle.

Now I group size tuned the rifle and did not use a chrono until the very end when I adjusted the air valve. So I had a couple of hundred pellets through the rifle and no clue how the velocity varied from out of the box.

The technical staff at UA know the Impact so if they had you return the rifle it was for a good reason

When I received my 30 cal it was adjusted all wrong also so I tuned it from scratch while group testing various pellets.

So if there actually is a "Factory Tune" for the Impact for every pellet/ slug made, you may find it in one of the Harry Potter books.

 

[addison]

As delivered each of my M3s sucked out of the box but it was because the plenum pressure, Macro, and Micro were all wrong.

My 177 had a plenum pressure of 160 bar.

So I set the plenum pressure to 70 bar, reduced the Macro and Micro to min and begain testing various weights and size pellets. Took some weeks but I ended up with two different pellets and tunes that shoot accurately from the rifle.

Now I group size tuned the rifle and did not use a chrono until the very end when I adjusted the air valve. So I had a couple of hundred pellets through the rifle and no clue how the velocity varied from out of the box.

The technical staff at UA know the Impact so if they had you return the rifle it was for a good reason

When I received my 30 cal it was adjusted all wrong also so I tuned it from scratch while group testing various pellets.

So if there actually is a "Factory Tune" for the Impact for every pellet/ slug made, you may find it in one of the Harry Potter books.

I trust the process and im not mad at anyone or really heart broken about it. I do wish I had it for squirrel hunting atm but I'll make do. It was between the m4 ,brk ghost , used red wolf. These thoughts pop up in these situations

 

[weevil]

They know the platform well and establish what you might call a basic tune typically for JSB heavies in the smaller calls or 44s in .30. Typically shooting at 900 in most cases. Of course, you can pay for a more sophisticated tune for your projectile of choice. But, in any case, tuning for pellets is trivial.

The more important point here, Troy, is that your initial message is inaccurate and unkind. Lots of people can tune their Impact and even a really poorly tuned example will not need dozens of warmup shots, as Addison experienced. Moreover, there is no need to rub salt into the wounds when a person has spent 2k on a defective gun by implying that it’s their tuning skills that are defective. This is far from the only example as you must know, based on the fact that this is not your only post spelling out your Maxims rationale.

 

[Troy Bakel]

They know the platform well and establish what you might call a basic tune typically for JSB heavies in the smaller calls or 44s in .30. Typically shooting at 900 in most cases. Of course, you can pay for a more sophisticated tune for your projectile of choice. But, in any case, tuning for pellets is trivial.

The more important point here, Troy, is that your initial message is inaccurate and unkind. Lots of people can tune their Impact and even a really poorly tuned example will not need dozens of warmup shots, as Addison experienced. Moreover, there is no need to rub salt into the wounds when a person has spent 2k on a defective gun by implying that it’s their tuning skills that are defective. This is far from the only example as you must know, based on the fact that this is not your only post spelling out your Maxims rationale.

I apologize to you and @addison as I know very little to nothing about the Subaru Sti and could not offer the type of "insight" @addison requested.

 

[addison]

All right guy's bring together. We have a duty at upholding this online court square where all thoughts and opinions are welcome even when they challenge or sometimes seem presented wrong to others. I truly feel blessed for each of you guys in this conversation and wealth of knowledge you bring to this chat and to the forms. Please feel free guys to express yourself and know this I'm in a house of 5 women and 1 queen aka my wife. On the daily I've accidentally or accidentally been offended by the wonderful creation of GOD we call woman! So with love guys please be civil. Im blessed truly to have a connection and community with you guys in it and hope to always have access to you guya in my arsenal of tools.

 

[Vetmx]

There are those who can tune, maintain, customize, and shoot an FX Impact with accuracy and precision and thoroughly enjoy doing so ...... and then there are those who simply cannot.

~ From the "Maxims of Ptahhotep"

I have never seen nor heard of an Impact coming from the factory with : test target, Chronograph data, all the final settings delineated, and the tin of pellets used to tune the rifle.

As such, the Impact has never been factory tuned and was never meant to be shot straight out of the box and was never meant to be sold to those who are incapable of tuning the rifle to meet their needs.

Good point. So with that said, it would also make sense as to why it’s harder to keep the gun on point compared to other guns. Not saying it can’t be done when you keep the gun in a friendly lane with friendly settings and pellets. But when you start asking more out of the gun you really have to dot your I’s and cross your T’s. Not the case with almost every other good PCP.

 

[Vetmx]

I do have a comment about a dealer tune and it’s not a bash because those guys at UA have been nothing but fantastic to deal with.

When I ordered my second MKll Power Plenum Impact, I went with them. Saw for an extra fee, they would tune it for something. I thought I already have one of these and for the last 6 months, it’s been on a setting or generally close. Impact guys know what I’m talking about. So I paid for a tune. I just had to see what they considered an optimal setting. It wasn’t even close. But at least I knew someone shot the gun and it functioned. On their behalf one gauge was way off and the other would stick at 180b. So that may have contributed to things. Either way I agree with whoever said an Impact is the end users responsibility to get it on point and then try to keep it there. But I didn’t say fix it. That’s something the buyer does have an option on. Send it back or roll up your sleeves.

 

[addison]

I do have a comment about a dealer tune and it’s not a bash because those guys at UA have been nothing but fantastic to deal with.

When I ordered my second MKll Power Plenum Impact, I went with them. Saw for an extra fee, they would tune it for something. I thought I already have one of these and for the last 6 months, it’s been on a setting or generally close. Impact guys know what I’m talking about. So I paid for a tune. I just had to see what they considered an optimal setting. It wasn’t even close. But at least I knew someone shot the gun and it functioned. On their behalf one gauge was way off and the other would stick at 180b. So that may have contributed to things. Either way I agree with whoever said an Impact is the end users responsibility to get it on point and then try to keep it there. But I didn’t say fix it. That’s something the buyer does have an option on. Send it back or roll up your sleeves.

I agree 100% with UA I personally think there fantastic but the new design of M4 with oring lube or whatever is going isn't good. No matter what a impact grabs everyone attention when pulled out of its case!

 

[JaceSpace1369]

I do have a comment about a dealer tune and it’s not a bash because those guys at UA have been nothing but fantastic to deal with.

When I ordered my second MKll Power Plenum Impact, I went with them. Saw for an extra fee, they would tune it for something. I thought I already have one of these and for the last 6 months, it’s been on a setting or generally close. Impact guys know what I’m talking about. So I paid for a tune. I just had to see what they considered an optimal setting. It wasn’t even close. But at least I knew someone shot the gun and it functioned. On their behalf one gauge was way off and the other would stick at 180b. So that may have contributed to things. Either way I agree with whoever said an Impact is the end users responsibility to get it on point and then try to keep it there. But I didn’t say fix it. That’s something the buyer does have an option on. Send it back or roll up your sleeves.

I personally think paying for the tunes is silly, if you don't live nearby. You live in Montana or Florida and you order the gun, you're likely gonna need a vastly different tune than whatever they do in Utah no?