MAC1 USFT Analysis/Overview

I owned that gun. The barrel was rusted inside and useless and it wouldn't hold air.

Gave it away. If the new owner can get to hold air he will pay me something.

Here it is in all its boat anchor glory:
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Rust in the barrel you say? Sounds like it was used as a boat anchor prior to finding it's way to you.

Rust is mistreatment. Leaks are inevitable. Although mine has the same orings it came with when I bought it new in 2018 and no leaks. If I don't replace orings preemptively, eventually it will leak though, as do all PCPs.
 
Rust in the barrel you say? Sounds like it was used as a boat anchor prior to finding it's way to you.

Rust is mistreatment. Leaks are inevitable. Although mine has the same orings it came with when I bought it new in 2018 and no leaks. If I don't replace orings preemptively, eventually it will leak though, as do all PCPs.
It wasn't an oring leak, both the leak and the barrel came that way from MAC-1.
 
It wasn't an oring leak, both the leak and the barrel came that way from MAC-1.

Really unfortunate and quite the contrast to the typical USFT ownership experience. It's been sad each of the 4-5 times I've read about yours. Although sounds like you were at least the third owner. Hard to know what happened to a gun when it was in the prior owner (s) possession.
 
I shot the USFT a bunch today. Since I'm just getting it set up for Hunter class and that entailed a scope swap, I decided to play around with the zero. I previously had worked out actual trajectory from 10-55 yards but was needing 0.6mil holdover for 20 yards, 0.4mil holdover for 22 yards, and 0.2holdover for 25 yards, getting to the beginning of the zero range at about 26-27 yards. I didn't like that because I was having a hard time getting the Midas Tac to range accurately in those early 20 yard distances. I shot the actual trajectories with a slightly further zero, and of course it only compounded the problem of needing to be accurate to the yard in that 20-27yard range. Eventually I re-reset the turrets to coincide with the beginning of zero at 21-22 yards. This gives m a 0.2mil holdover for 20 yards, and no holdover for 22 yards an on. I effectively eliminated the need to be to-the-yard accurate with my range-by-focus in that tough area of 20-25 yards. Essentially, my eyes are able to more repeatedly land in the same place on the wheel for 45, 50, 55 (5 yard increments) than they were for the 1 yard increments from 20-25.

Take home message-your zero range is incredibly important, and matters even if it only shifts your zero holdover ranges by a couple yards. A fringe benefit to this was less holdover for the 10, 11, 12 yard shots than I had with a zero of only a few yards further out.

Because we often play the silhouette game out to 70 and 80 yards, I always took enough shots at my steel (squeezed in some for the 90 yarders too) that I'll include that holdover data on the dope sheet.

So, now ready to print up a dope sheet and call it good.

I also decided to run some shots over the chrono. The USFT is the gun that I shoot the least over a chronograph. In my 7 years of USFT ownership it has been stalwart in the consistency (among others) department. If I haven't adjusted anything, it shoots to the same spot, with the same fps. Always. So I took random breaks from the trajectory plotting to throw a couple over the chronograph. Made it a point to take some at the top, middle, and bottom of the fill. And, as expected, fps as consistent as the sunrise, right in that window of fps I have come to trust from the gun. Probably go another couple years before shooting it over a chrono again, lol.

I've decided to put the shorter barrel idea on the backburner for who knows how long. The barrel that came in my USFT is simply so amazing that I've decided it's worth the hassle of the gun being long. Furthermore, I went back to the 7inch long Hogan Decimeater instead of the 3.5" Huggett Atom. And for sort of the same reason, but in this case for the report. The Hogan makes the USFT one of my quietest airguns. The nearly non-existent report is worth another 3.5" to the length of the gun.

As for the report and shot cycle.....as I've had the opportunity to shoot more and more airguns in the last 12-13years, I've come to really enjoy a refined shot cycle. Similar to how I used to get along with just about any old trigger but now get a little grumbly about one with a break of more than 5-6ounces, at this point in my airgun journey, I've come to REALLY appreciate the nuance of how a gun feels/sounds/acts when the trigger is pulled. With the USFT, the length/weight/trigger/tuning/moderator/etc? combine to make a super mellow shot cycle. And that shot cycle is a large part of why I love the funny looking thing so much. It is so surreal to be able to watch most pellets on the shots past about 40 yards sink right into their desired impact point. SEEING that pellet make its way to where I want it to go is amazing. And with a sufficient moderator, there's no obnoxious blast of air to ruin the moment. If I was a betting man, I'd put my money on the lack of action noise relating directly back to the absence of the ubiquitous hammer-in-a-tunnel firing mechanism. There's simply no sloshing around of a weighted cylinder in a tunnel when the trigger is pulled.
 
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I shot the USFT a bunch today. Since I'm just getting it set up for Hunter class and that entailed a scope swap, I decided to play around with the zero. I previously had worked out actual trajectory from 10-55 yards but was needing 0.6mil holdover for 20 yards, 0.4mil holdover for 22 yards, and 0.2holdover for 25 yards, getting to the beginning of the zero range at about 26-27 yards. I didn't like that because I was having a hard time getting the Midas Tac to range accurately in those early 20 yard distances. I shot the actual trajectories with a slightly further zero, and of course it only compounded the problem of needing to be accurate to the yard in that 20-27yard range. Eventually I re-reset the turrets to coincide with the beginning of zero at 21-22 yards. This gives m a 0.2mil holdover for 20 yards, and no holdover for 22 yards an on. I effectively eliminated the need to be to-the-yard accurate with my range-by-focus in that tough area of 20-25 yards. Essentially, my eyes are able to more repeatedly land in the same place on the wheel for 45, 50, 55 (5 yard increments) than they were for the 1 yard increments from 20-25.

Take home message-your zero range is incredibly important, and matters even if it only shifts your zero holdover ranges by a couple yards. A fringe benefit to this was less holdover for the 10, 11, 12 yard shots than I had with a zero of only a few yards further out.

Because we often play the silhouette game out to 70 and 80 yards, I always took enough shots at my steel (squeezed in some for the 90 yarders too) that I'll include that holdover data on the dope sheet.

So, now ready to print up a dope sheet and call it good.

I also decided to run some shots over the chrono. The USFT is the gun that I shoot the least over a chronograph. In my 7 years of USFT ownership it has been stalwart in the consistency (among others) department. If I haven't adjusted anything, it shoots to the same spot, with the same fps. Always. So I took random breaks from the trajectory plotting to throw a couple over the chronograph. Made it a point to take some at the top, middle, and bottom of the fill. And, as expected, fps as consistent as the sunrise, right in that window of fps I have come to trust from the gun. Probably go another couple years before shooting it over a chrono again, lol.

I've decided to put the shorter barrel idea on the backburner for who knows how long. The barrel that came in my USFT is simply so amazing that I've decided it's worth the hassle of the gun being long. Furthermore, I went back to the 7inch long Hogan Decimeater instead of the 3.5" Huggett Atom. And for sort of the same reason, but in this case for the report. The Hogan makes the USFT one of my quietest airguns. The nearly non-existent report is worth another 3.5" to the length of the gun.

As for the report and shot cycle.....as I've had the opportunity to shoot more and more airguns in the last 12-13years, I've come to really enjoy a refined shot cycle. Similar to how I used to get along with just about any old trigger but now get a little grumbly about one with a break of more than 5-6ounces, at this point in my airgun journey, I've come to REALLY appreciate the nuance of how a gun feels/sounds/acts when the trigger is pulled. With the USFT, the length/weight/trigger/tuning/moderator/etc? combine to make a super mellow shot cycle. And that shot cycle is a large part of why I love the funny looking thing so much. It is so surreal to be able to watch most pellets on the shots past about 40 yards sink right into their desired impact point. SEEING that pellet make its way to where I want it to go is amazing. And with a sufficient moderator, there's no obnoxious blast of air to ruin the moment. If I was a betting man, I'd put my money on the lack of action noise relating directly back to the absence of the ubiquitous hammer-in-a-tunnel firing mechanism. There's simply no sloshing around of a weighted cylinder in a tunnel when the trigger is pulled.
Great info coming from you today.
I’ve been so busy with field target stuff that my USFT mac1 BR setup is shuddered in the cabinet. Two barrels.177&.22 give me options. I could convert to HFT set up but having a devoted BR platform simplifies life.
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Tuning down my USFT to <12FPE for worlds WFTC in Arizona. It is amazing, 135 shots within 10 FPS SD 2.4 set point ranges 1,200 - 1,100 psi 15 cu in bottle filled to 3K.

Me doping for wind at sub 12FPE, not so amazing. I learning a lot of respect for the WFTF crew.

What'd it take to get down to 12fpe Thane? Different poppet/valve stem? And reduction of hammer spring tension? Or complenty different (lighter) hammer spring?

Also, how's the slow twist poly doing at sub12 fpe? I've heard anecdotals that for <12 fpe a 12 land and groove barrel is better, but I haven't personally had any experience there.
 
Traditionally a large part of the USFT power tuning comes from changing the poppets diameter. By design the poppet sits within a counter bore above the seat & having a larger poppet decreases flow and creates a greater sail effect to close faster limiting output. Smaller the poppet head greater the flow having less sail effect.
From there it is hammer weight and transfer path strangle screw adjusting. Hammer spring within the rear housing stay pretty much the same.
 
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Just like Scott says, keeping with the traditional non-regulated USFT, poppet diameter and hammer weight for a proper tune.

My regulated/bastardized USFT is tuned for 20 FPE so for this one competition it's strangle screw and regulator set point. I started with 800 psi set point less strangle screw, 30 fps extreme spread and groups at 50 yds suffered, probably dwell related. Brought set point up to 1,200 psi, clamped down strangle and ten shot groups at 50 yds 3/8". Not the optimal as intended by LD, but very workable.

Slow poly for now, want to test standard twist, but limited with time.
 
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I owned that gun. The barrel was rusted inside and useless and it wouldn't hold air.

Gave it away. If the new owner can get to hold air he will pay me something.

Here it is in all its boat anchor glory:
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Troy, such a shame that something so nice was either just thrown together in haste or malice or just left to waste away like an unwanted trinket. I hope the new owner got it sorted. Airgun Oregon knows how to work on these properly and change barrels, etc... as needed.
I have owned three different USFT MAC1'S to date.
The first one was a WFTF setup tube version and non regulated, the Second one was a tube version HFT setup and regulated, and the third one, which i still own, is currently only being used for Bench Rest; it is a bottle version with a plenum and is regulated; bonus is i have 3 different barrel options .177 / .22 / .25.. I could of course, quickly convert this to HFT use but... alas... tinker tinker no time stinker.
The simplicity of these Mac1's is pure function over form.
They are as much "history" as they are genius in their simplicity; and when all the right parts come together they shoot way better than most of us ever will.
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Traditionally a large part of the USFT power tuning comes from changing the poppets diameter. By design the poppet sits within a counter bore above the seat & having a larger poppet decreases flow and creates a greater sail effect to close faster limiting output. Smaller the poppet head greater the flow having less sail effect.
From there it is hammer weight and transfer path strangle screw adjusting. Hammer spring within the rear housing stay pretty much the same.
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Why is there a difference between the barrel holding assembly? Some seem to be a round and others are a basic rectangle stock? I would assume the rectangle stock would be easier and cheaper to manufacture.

As far as I know, just shifts in how they were made.

Remember that the USFT is essentially bespoke, almost handmade in some regards, and the first batch WAS truly handmade. From what I can gather, they were mostly made in small machining batches. Kinda like Timmy Mac would get enough preorders or enough money (or both) scrounged together to get a batch of parts machined, and then he'd assemble them. And that went on for 20ish years. So lots of supply chain changes for the raw materials, as well as maybe who he was contracting out ot do the machining? Anyway, easy to see how lots of small changes crept into the production and those changes can be seen from one USFT to the next, if a guy looks close enough.
 
Interesting that this thread got revived right now as I've got a .20 barrel being delivered tomorrow that I'm going to fit to my USFT. The plan being to cut the barrel back so barrel+moderator end at the airtube.

Funny thing is that I owned this barrel once before. It was in the Air Force Condor that I sold a few months ago. New owner only wanted the chassis and he listed the .20 barrel for sale. Anyway, it's a 16mm OD barrel and since I'm cutting it back anyway, doesn't matter that it has that reduced OD at the breech end where it fits a Condor (of course that's the part getting chopped off.

This .20 barrel was quite good with 15.89s and 18.9gr slugs, but I never tested accuracy with the 13.73s, which of course will be the primary pellet for an intended field target rig.

It'll have to be quite good to shoot better than what I call the "magic" .177 barrel that's already on my USFT. Should be fun to experiment, and if I don't prefer it as a shorter .20, can always go back to the magic .177.
 
For those who have 22 versions, what sort of fpe are you achieving?
I am seeing about 25 fpe

I ordered mine with an extra barrel back in 2017-18 when I first got it. That extra barrel is a .22. I experimented with it but it's been years now. 28fpe is coming to mind, and that required lots more hammer weight, via bolts threaded into the hammer.
 
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I ended up grabbing the one that popped up in the classifieds here, has a number #86. The rifle has the round barrel holder and the canted grip.

I have looked at these rifles for quite a long time, and remember when Tim first started making them. Remember asking him the price back then and not being able to afford the rifle at that time. Hell I think I was fresh out of college and just getting started in life!

The other question I have, is the plumbing fitting on the end of the barrel. Looks like a brass T fitting from the hardware store. Are these threaded on, or are they just pressed on for a sort of muzzle break?