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MAGNUM Pistol Field Target LIVES!

Pistoleros,

As I’ve been threatening for a while now, looks like I’m fathering another Field Target bastard. Weather permitting, MAGNUM Pistol Field Target will be born March 1.

Because the necessary, but missing puzzle piece has now been found to make the previous gleam in my eye become reality (no, not Viagra), MagPFT is growing from conception to delivery. Translation- it’s happening! 😃

Said missing puzzle piece was a production air pistol capable of power and accuracy enough to stretch pistol field target not only beyond all previous bounds, but beyond the bounds of the imagination. Correction- any imagination but mine.

Power limit for Magnum PFT is 40 foot pounds; DOUBLE that of EXTREME Pistol FT, and 333% that of AAFTA PFT! Maximum target distances will be 80 yards; no elaboration or enlivenment required.😂 But in deference to the extreme pistol distances, scope magnification limit rises to 16X, rather than 12X. Otherwise MPFT rules are the same as Extreme PFT rules.

My next TEXtreme Airgun Sports Extreme Field Target weekend being the first weekend of March, a Magnum Pistol class will be recognized in the Saturday, March 1 Extreme PFT match; shot on the EPFT course, incorporating Extreme pistol and rifle targets. If at least three shooters enter the Magnum pistol class, there will be awards.

The missing puzzle piece making my lively imagination possible-reality came from the most unlikely of places… CHINA! However, strange bedfellows produce ‘unique’ offspring, that might otherwise never live.

Contrary to (ALL) Chinese products of the not-too-distant past, the Huben GK1 semi-automatic PCP pistol is neither cheap, nor toy. Nay, it is fine quality, accurate, powerful with a capital P, and expensive with a capital E! And although it doesn’t go where no others have gone before (Crosman produced excellent quality .22 semi-automatic Co2 pistols in the 1960s), the GK1 takes its combination of quality, power, accuracy and performance to a reasonable-size place none others have gone before. And also an exhilarating-FUN place none others have gone, or experienced before. But rather than elaborate on that previous sentence, I’ll leave such elaborations to countless GK1 posts on this forum (and elsewhere, like YouTube).

Believe it or not, the 40 foot pound Magnum PFT power limit is a perfect example of a perfect rule; that being an equipment rule that not only recognizes a particular piece of equipment endowing substantial advantage(s), but imposes a restriction not just minimizing, but negating said advantage(s). Hence, forty foot pounds was decided on to counteract the ballistic advantage a 50+ foot pound .25 GK1 would have over a less powerful .22 GK1. And although there are other reasons, that reason is genius enough.

The power-limit rule will have the same effect on other, as-powerful pistols that might come available when and if other manufacturers recognize financial opportunity. In fact, word in the airgun grapevine is there is one manufacturer possibly doing so; purportedly soon. I won’t bother to expound on rumor or speculation, other than to say it sounds feasible. It would be nice to have an American-made😳 option.:unsure:

Happy Handgunning, Y’all!

P.S.- Although I realize there is no size reference for this 19 shot, full-magazine group shot last night at 50 yards in light winds with my .22 GK1 firing 18.1 grain JSBs at 863 FPS/30 foot-pounds, the group measures 1.20" center-to-center.

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P.P.S.- Where else ya'll gonna get this kinda cutting-edge reporting?🙄

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By the way, this seems an opportune time to mention I am not the founder of Magnum Pistol Field Target; I am co-founder. None other than zx10wall is the other co-founder of Magnum Pistol Field Target.

Derrick exposed me to the Huben GK1, then agreed to sell me his .22 GK when I refused to order a new one from any stranger requiring a $1250 FULL PAYMENT deposit on a promise to deliver when/if they got another shipment. DW subsequently got a .25 GK; a happy situation for us both.

We've been not only comparing testing notes since (and before), but conspiring about launching Magnum Pistol Field Target, and discussing rules parameters. That all came together last night; hence my OP announcement today.

Never thought I'd have such a credible, widely-respected PARTNER IN CRIME. :ROFLMAO:

Thank you D.(y)
 
It just occured to me that my .20 BRK can achieve 30 FP with 15.89gr JSBs 🤓

I can also take .22 BRK Pathfinders to such levels with some massaging. Lets kick this Magnum Pistol EFT off baby‼️

My 28 foot pound .22 Brocock Sniper pistol/carbine conversion will also work well for Magnum PFT, as explored and discovered a few months ago when I finished the conversion. In fact exploring it's capabilities to 80 yards is what proved my MPFT fantasy to be possible reality.

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This ten-shot group on the 3" kill-zone bear, shot in still winds from stool and bipod FT position at 80 yards measured 2" c-t-c-

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For yall's information, when we're not posting on this forum Derrick and I are trying to kick one-another's butts in AAFTA and Extreme Rifle and Pistol Field Target, Bench-Rest Silhouette, and (soon) Magnum Pistol Field Target competitions. One of my most tenacious competitors and a phenomenal airgunsmith, he is also the entrepreneur of Tenacious Airguns.

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Great idea, and it should be very popular I would think. I’m extremely close to ordering a .22 GK1, after listening to you guys and seeing what you are doing with the pistol.
I shoot my pistols more often than my rifles especially in winter and it seems like I definitely need to add one of these to my collection, now I just have to decide what caliber, leaning towards a .22 but not certain yet.
I think it would be so much fun to participate in magnum PFT.
What a great idea.
 
I think you need to truly go MAGNUM PIFLE class and just shoot the EFT course as is that is set up for Rifles. Many of your shooters that shoot .22 Rifle at EFT do it at 50 fpe when shooting RD Monster pellets. Why go half assed to 80 yards when ya’ll can grow a pair and shoot out to 100 yards? C’mon you Pifle shooters, put on your Big Boy Pants and go all the way, go big or go home. 😎
 
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I think you need to truly go MAGNUM PIFLE class and just shoot the EFT course as is that is set up for Rifles. Many of your shooters that shoot .22 Rifle at EFT do it at 50 fpe when shooting RD Monster pellets. Why go half assed to 80 yards when ya’ll can grow a pair and shoot out to 100 yards? C’mon you Pifle shooters, put on your Big Boy Pants and go all the way, go big or go home. 😎
When you even going to shoot Pistol EFT at all? How can you add a meaningful suggestion if you haven't even competed in 20 FP Pistol EFT or even AAFTA 12 FP? No offense, just my perspective. They say I'm too blunt! Sorry not sorry!
 
When you even going to shoot Pistol EFT at all? How can you add a meaningful suggestion if you haven't even competed in 20 FP Pistol EFT or even AAFTA 12 FP? No offense, just my perspective. They say I'm too blunt! Sorry not sorry!
Just Needling there Wild Thing. You know I don’t live in the only place in the world that shoots Pifle EFT. Chill brother. It’ll be OK. Sorry if I offended your sensibilities.😂
 
When you even going to shoot Pistol EFT at all? How can you add a meaningful suggestion if you haven't even competed in 20 FP Pistol EFT or even AAFTA 12 FP? No offense, just my perspective. They say I'm too blunt! Sorry not sorry!

Just Needling there Wild Thing. You know I don’t live in the only place in the world that shoots Pifle EFT. Chill brother. It’ll be OK. Sorry if I offended your sensibilities.😂
I know............I dropped that truth bomb hard! The Huben is no Pifle, it's all pistol.

Fact is, if you haven't tried the extreme challenge of shooting Pistol FT than you just don't know.
 
Very cool idea!

I've only shot <12 fpe pistol ft, and as Derrick said, VERY challenging. But also just a bunch of fun.

My 10 year old has been shooting rifle field target for 4 or 5 years. He's pretty ho hum about the whole thing, enjoys it but doesn't get too animated. In contrast, had him shoot a pistol match last summer at one of the Southwestern Airgunners matches and after the first couple shots he was more excited about that pistol match than I've seen him about anything.

Knocking em down with a pistol feels like an accomplishment!
 
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I know............I dropped that truth bomb hard! The Huben is no Pifle, it's all pistol.

Fact is, if you haven't tried the extreme challenge of shooting Pistol FT than you just don't know.
Didn’t understand the “bomb”. “Truth Bomb”. - that’s funny. It does look like it’ll be fun. If I lived within 4 or 5 hours of the single place in the Country that offers it.
My point in the Needling was why is it easier to hit a 2.5 inch target at 75 to 80 yards compared to a 4 inch target at 95 to 100 yards. Just IMHO it’s not.
Not everyone is going to drop $2K+ on a Huben… Most will probably shoot Pifles.
 
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Didn’t understand the “bomb”. “Truth Bomb”. - that’s funny. It does look like it’ll be fun. If I lived within 4 or 5 hours of the single place in the Country that offers it.
My point in the Needling was why is it easier to hit a 2.5 inch target at 75 to 80 yards compared to a 4 inch target at 95 to 100 yards. Just IMHO it’s not.
Not everyone is going to drop $2K+ on a Huben… Most will probably shoot Pifles.
I'm done. Thank you for your perspective.
 
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I’m just learning here… in these competitions is it a challenge to deliver the energy needed to activate/tip? a target, or is it mostly about accuracy?

it seems like if you limit both .25 snd .22 to 40 foot pounds the 22 caliber has the ballistic advantage because of the fact that it can shoot lighter pellets with a flatter trajectory. obviously, I’m not questioning the choice, just wanting to understand the event a little better.

Again, these may be really basic questions, but have got to start somewhere…

Here’s another one while I’m at it. This is the one I actually came here to ask. Are these events some thing a person could meaningfully participate in if they had no prior experience with shooting competitions?
 
I’m just learning here… in these competitions is it a challenge to deliver the energy needed to activate/tip? a target, or is it mostly about accuracy?



Here’s another one while I’m at it. This is the one I actually came here to ask. Are these events some thing a person could meaningfully participate in if they had no prior experience with shooting competitions?
ACCURACY absolutely !!
All FT welcomes new shooters .. as everyone doing so started with there first event !!
 
While we can shoot the >20 fpe pistols in a conventional FT match ( have done so ) The "Magnum" class I don't see as practical or popular but for a very select few. :rolleyes:
perhaps in the future assuming we see more options at different price points. I noticed bintac had a very short hp max type gun for sale now as well. Would a talon P count as a pistol?
 
I’m just learning here… in these competitions is it a challenge to deliver the energy needed to activate/tip? a target, or is it mostly about accuracy?

it seems like if you limit both .25 snd .22 to 40 foot pounds the 22 caliber has the ballistic advantage because of the fact that it can shoot lighter pellets with a flatter trajectory. obviously, I’m not questioning the choice, just wanting to understand the event a little better.

Again, these may be really basic questions, but have got to start somewhere…

Here’s another one while I’m at it. This is the one I actually came here to ask. Are these events some thing a person could meaningfully participate in if they had no prior experience with shooting competitions?

The fpe needed depends on a couple things. The targets being used sometimes require more energy, just b/c if how they're made. How they're set also factors in....if they're leaning too far forward it can cause drama, requiring more energy to knockdown.

Realistically, the big high power "EFT" targets need more energy. I've shot at a couple big level events now where I had targets not fall. And that's partly with how they're set, partly the types of targets used, and partly because I chose to use much less fpe than everybody else.

For most AAFTA type (sub20fpe) matches, it'll be rare to have a clean paddle hit not make the target fall down. It happens of course, but not as frequent of a problem as with EFT.
 
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I think you need to truly go MAGNUM PIFLE class and just shoot the EFT course as is that is set up for Rifles. Many of your shooters that shoot .22 Rifle at EFT do it at 50 fpe when shooting RD Monster pellets. Why go half assed to 80 yards when ya’ll can grow a pair and shoot out to 100 yards? C’mon you Pifle shooters, put on your Big Boy Pants and go all the way, go big or go home. 😎

Don't you remember when I tried to put your Big Boy Pants on, and couldn't get them past my cajones Mike?:eek: I felt like O.J.:ROFLMAO:
 
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