I was looking around the Air Venturi site earlier and found that some Benjamin Marauders in .177 and .22 can now be purchased with Lothar Walther barrels which also include a Picatinny Rail style breech! Hopefully they will do this on the .25 also.
Marauders Now available with LW barrels and Picatinny Rail
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They are available from the Crosman custom shop. All the barrels are choked, whether the Crosman or the LW and the weaver/Picatinny breech is also an option but not included and only about $4.50 extra over the dovetail breech so that seems like a no brain-er to me. I would also like to see the .25 offered as well. It must have something to do with the fact that the .25's have the Green Mountain barrel and might be sourced from somewhere else, but I still don't see why they can't offer it in the "custom" shop. One downside to ordering from the custom shop is the AG discount does not work.
Crosman Custom Shop
Crosman Custom Shop
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Since AV is the Wholesale side of Pyramyd you will find Pyramyd has them on their site now so there is now an option besides direct from Crosman.
https://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Benjamin_Marauder_PCP_Air_Rifle_Synthetic_Stock/3139
https://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Benjamin_Marauder_PCP_Air_Rifle_Synthetic_Stock/3139
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Right you are, but looks like it cost more to add the LW on the Pyramydair site and still no way to get the Pic rail on the .25 without buying it aftermarket. I'm still thinking whoever is assembling the .25's with the Green Mountain barrels doesn't want to deal with the option of the Picatinny rail. The custom shop also has different options for the stock with wood and different camo patterns as well as the synthetic. You can also get a factory regulator, engraving if your into that sort of thing, and the bolt installed on the left or the right. Somehow it only ends up being about $5 cheaper going through the custom shop with the same options as PA. So the only real reason to go with the custom shop is for a different stock, a regulator without getting the field model and engraving.
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Azycray,
I believe the Lothar Walther barrel in .177 is choked from the custom shop. The new Crosman barrels redesigned by Nick Hargarther were originally not choked. I just looked at the Crosman site, and it states that they are choked, with a 1:16 twist rate. The older generation of barrels are choked, but they had a rougher finish on the lands and grooves. When Nick redesigned their tooling, he changed the twist rate from the roughly 1:16 twist that was choked, to a much tighter twist unchoked. The finish of the newer design barrels, supposedly rivals the finish on the inside of the L/W barrel.
I'll have to inquire about this, because I was told by Nick himself, that the newer designed barrels have a tighter than a 1:16 twist rate, and are not choked. Looking at the 4 newer Crosman barrels that I acquired from them about 6 months ago, this seems to be the case.
Stay tuned to my channel, Field Target Tech, after the new year, I'm going to send a scope down every barrel imaginable, from the old Crosman choked barrels, to their newer ones. A Challenger L/W barrel, and a TM 1000 L/W barrel. I'll even get my Steyr barrel, and my Springer barrels in there as well.
Should be interesting.
Tom Holland
I believe the Lothar Walther barrel in .177 is choked from the custom shop. The new Crosman barrels redesigned by Nick Hargarther were originally not choked. I just looked at the Crosman site, and it states that they are choked, with a 1:16 twist rate. The older generation of barrels are choked, but they had a rougher finish on the lands and grooves. When Nick redesigned their tooling, he changed the twist rate from the roughly 1:16 twist that was choked, to a much tighter twist unchoked. The finish of the newer design barrels, supposedly rivals the finish on the inside of the L/W barrel.
I'll have to inquire about this, because I was told by Nick himself, that the newer designed barrels have a tighter than a 1:16 twist rate, and are not choked. Looking at the 4 newer Crosman barrels that I acquired from them about 6 months ago, this seems to be the case.
Stay tuned to my channel, Field Target Tech, after the new year, I'm going to send a scope down every barrel imaginable, from the old Crosman choked barrels, to their newer ones. A Challenger L/W barrel, and a TM 1000 L/W barrel. I'll even get my Steyr barrel, and my Springer barrels in there as well.
Should be interesting.
Tom Holland
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I just recently had a back and forth with Crosman because I was getting conflicting information from the website and manual about whether or not any of their barrels they sell are not choked. After making contact by phone and web and again getting conflicting answers from the responders, I eventually got a phone call and a definitive answer that all the barrels are choked. The custom shop website has been corrected and now reflects that. You can also check for a choke by running a tight patch down the barrel, if it is choked you will feel it get tighter near the muzzle.
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Azycray,
That's where I'm confused. In speaking to their barrel designer at the Crosman All American Field Target Championship, Mr. Hargarther and myself had over an hour conversation on the subject, and that exchange yielded the information that I relayed to you. For this information on their website, and what they told you are the same, though I don't know why it was different from what the man who designed them and makes them told me. I'll inquire and get a definitive answer.
As for the barrels that I have gotten from Crosman, 3 are standard new design Crosman barrels, with no choke at all. A rod with a patch confirmed this, and the twist rate is considerably tighter as well. The other older version of the Crosman choked barrels, I have 3 of those. In running a patch through them, it very obvious that they are choked. The twist rate was not as tight as the newer ones, and the older barrels were a 1:16 twist.
The plot thickens, I'll have to wait and see what my inquiry gets me.......
Tom Holland
That's where I'm confused. In speaking to their barrel designer at the Crosman All American Field Target Championship, Mr. Hargarther and myself had over an hour conversation on the subject, and that exchange yielded the information that I relayed to you. For this information on their website, and what they told you are the same, though I don't know why it was different from what the man who designed them and makes them told me. I'll inquire and get a definitive answer.
As for the barrels that I have gotten from Crosman, 3 are standard new design Crosman barrels, with no choke at all. A rod with a patch confirmed this, and the twist rate is considerably tighter as well. The other older version of the Crosman choked barrels, I have 3 of those. In running a patch through them, it very obvious that they are choked. The twist rate was not as tight as the newer ones, and the older barrels were a 1:16 twist.
The plot thickens, I'll have to wait and see what my inquiry gets me.......
Tom Holland
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I am still interested what kind of a response you get from them just to see if anything has changed. But I already put in an order for a LW unchoked from Jefferson State to shoot slugs. The original reason I was trying to find out was that if an un-choked barrel was available from the custom shop it would have been cheaper that to buy an aftermarket barrel. All water under the bridge now but still interested. I hope more and more rifles will have the option in the future of choked or un-choked barrels.
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Azycray,
It's all very weird, because the newer design barrels that I do have from Crosman are unchoked. Nick himself made me a custom barrel that was 6 " longer than the standard Marauder barrel. I had an original choked barrel that was internally damaged by manufacturing, and he took it in exchange for the custom one. Wasn't going to turn that offer down!!! Anyway, that barrel has zero choke as well..
I'll get to the bottom of this, might take a few days....
Tom Holland
It's all very weird, because the newer design barrels that I do have from Crosman are unchoked. Nick himself made me a custom barrel that was 6 " longer than the standard Marauder barrel. I had an original choked barrel that was internally damaged by manufacturing, and he took it in exchange for the custom one. Wasn't going to turn that offer down!!! Anyway, that barrel has zero choke as well..
I'll get to the bottom of this, might take a few days....
Tom Holland
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The .22 Marauders with the picatinny rail and Lothar barrel are model number BP2264LS. Is it marked that way on the reciever? Can anyone who bought one verify this? There is a gentleman trying to sell me one that is marked BP2264 on the reciever. It has the picatinny rail but I would think it would be marked BP2264LS like it is on the box.
Christopher
Christopher
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So how do the new crosman 22 barrels shoot. I replaced mine with a Mmhf barrel but wondered about the new ones so you don’t have to clean the barrel so often.
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Hello,
Purchased a .22 Marauder w/ LW barrel and picatinny rail at the beginning of January from PA. The receiver is marked BP2264. There is no LS on the receiver marking - FYI.
Hope that helps.
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I heard crosman will no longer use green mountain barrels in the 25.....guess they are going to make in house. This might come back to bite them 
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Thanks for letting me know. I have the Marauder with the picatinny rail and the regulator. It has the Crosman barrel which by my standards is pretty accurate. I was considering getting this rifle to try the LW barrel. It wouldn't be a fair comparison without the regulator so I am going to pass on it. I have moved my sights to an AA S510 Twin that 2manyAirGunz has. But it to is unregulated. However, if this picture of a shot string on low is accurate, consistancy should not be a problem! (Picture courtesy of the Pyramyd ad).
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I have no experience with LW barrels. How much "improvement" could they add at a distance of 25/50 yards?
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