Maybe I was too optimistic for my Taipan .177 Standard accuracy?
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Oh wow yeah that's bad for only 40 yards. I expect nothing less than dimes at 40 yards with 177 or I try a different projectile or barrel, unless it's a scope issue which is usually pretty obvious, or wind was an issue.
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Yea, at 48 yards on my range Prophet, Vulcan, Uragan, all in 177 Dime size easy, (NO WIND) Sometimes I just have a blank paper up shoot once then aim at the hole, In the beginning of this paper stuff I am jumping around looking through a giant spotter scope, crazy flyer where did the pellet go, There is only one hole two shots, Hell guns shooting off the paper, Panic,,, LOL One hole two shots , 10 and twenty in one hole is tough,
I think the 177 is coming back, 20 years ago I was told the 177 was a dyeing caliber only for springers and pumpers . LOL I am talking USA I do not want to panic my UK brothers ,
Mike
I think the 177 is coming back, 20 years ago I was told the 177 was a dyeing caliber only for springers and pumpers . LOL I am talking USA I do not want to panic my UK brothers ,
Mike
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you try without a silencer and with a silencer im sure as they need nothing but i got a huma mod40 mm with center section out for pure silence as i shoot into so mullberry trees and they other birds dont take off, just seems funny i guess it shoots like that
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I'm not positive but I know I was getting 1060 with 8.4 JSB. I have it all apart right now polishing the barrel.
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On the first page of this topic Tor47 suggested something that you need to consider. Most guys would rather grasp at any easy fix or magic potion rather that tearing the gun down to play with a mystery reg with no reference marks on it. When you’re all done polishing you need to check that max speed. Even if the gun shoots better. If your reg is set too high you should address it for a couple reasons. The bigger caliber Taipans may be a little more forgiving of wonky tunes when guys believe their hammer spring adjuster is a speed controller. It’s not. Your reg is your speed control, your spring is your fine tuner. Maybe the .177 is a little more sensitive. I have a hard time believing you got a bad barrel but if everything else is set properly, it’s possible.
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Sucks to have to work on a new gun, I would have demanded a new barrel or a new gun, But I am sure you talked to the dealer you bought it from,
Mike
Mike
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I was about to suggest the same. My yard is 34 yard across to my target box and at 700FPS i don’t have any hold over zeroed are 20 yards.
Granted still surprised factory taipan isn’t shooting well out of box, 3/4 inch at 30 yards indoor is NOT acceptable IMHO! Do you get 1 hole groups at 20 yards just to eliminate any sort of wind affect? If you can get all the pellets touching at 20 yards your gun and/or tune need some work. Had no issues with shooting a tiny hole of a group at 30 yards with a 299 avenger 177 and taipan is a few more dollars than that.
Have you checked the crown and pushed a pellet through the barrel to see any imperfection? Dial power down 30-50fpe increments and see if the gun is more accurate at lower speed? If you find accuracy at lower speed then it’s your tune/reg setting.
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Send it back! I ordered a FX 400 Royale in .177 and it was shooting just as bad yours is. No matter what speed, no matter what pellet, this thing couldn't hold a 1 inch group at 30 yards. AOA was great and gave me a full store credit and allowed me to replace the gun with a totally different one and one not from FX. Utah airguns needs to replace your gun. All my other .177's (3 different brands) shoot less than a 1/2 inch group at 30 yds. Don't waste your time trying to make it work. Call them and send it back.
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Yep.
They shouldn't have a problem doing so since "the gun checked out fine" right?
I did not say it in my previous post but I have found some strong pellet preferences in my 5 PCPs, all relatively low cost. My 25 caliber Avenger likes anything made by JSB I've tried and hates anything made by H&N. Like 3/4 to 1 inch groups at 25 yards. But it prints nice little groups with FX 25.4s and almost as small with JSB 25.39 or heavies (original a little better than MKII).
My Prod does not hate JSBs but shoots H&N FTTs better. My P35-22 shoots JSB 18s and H&N Barracuda Match (21.something) about the same at 25 yards but groups at 33 yards are better with the H&N. My P35-25 does not like JSBs but shoots H&N FTTs nicely. I did not test JSBs in my P35-177 but it shoots H&N Barracuda Power and Barracuda Match in 4.50 head size into pretty small groups.
Depending some on what you want to do with your Taipan, I would get some H&N Baracuda Match in both 4.5 and 4.52 head size to test if your groups with your polished barrel are still disappointing. If you want to shoot lighter pellets then I would look for another one offered in more than one head size. Head size doesn't seem to affect groups in my P35-22 but does in my P35-177. I set my guns up to shoot over 800 fps if they will do it and prefer to keep their velocity under 900 fps. My P35-177 sometimes strays a little over that and my Avenger is consistently above 900. Still trying to decide if that is a contributor to it's indifferent 100 yard accuracy so far.
My Prod does not hate JSBs but shoots H&N FTTs better. My P35-22 shoots JSB 18s and H&N Barracuda Match (21.something) about the same at 25 yards but groups at 33 yards are better with the H&N. My P35-25 does not like JSBs but shoots H&N FTTs nicely. I did not test JSBs in my P35-177 but it shoots H&N Barracuda Power and Barracuda Match in 4.50 head size into pretty small groups.
Depending some on what you want to do with your Taipan, I would get some H&N Baracuda Match in both 4.5 and 4.52 head size to test if your groups with your polished barrel are still disappointing. If you want to shoot lighter pellets then I would look for another one offered in more than one head size. Head size doesn't seem to affect groups in my P35-22 but does in my P35-177. I set my guns up to shoot over 800 fps if they will do it and prefer to keep their velocity under 900 fps. My P35-177 sometimes strays a little over that and my Avenger is consistently above 900. Still trying to decide if that is a contributor to it's indifferent 100 yard accuracy so far.
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The rain is stopping my progress right now. I shot a few rounds as soon as I got the rifle put back together and they didn't appear to be any better but I didn't have my chrony hooked up so I don't know what speed I was getting. The crown looked good on the barrel and I gave it a good polish with some J-B bore compound. I didn't expect a miracle but until I get some time with no rain and my chronograph set up I won't really know.
Should the barrel need replacing, where would I get one?
Should the barrel need replacing, where would I get one?
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- My SD seems to be around 7fps and the power seems OK.
- Barrel seemed OK and crown looked good. I polished it.
- Barrel rolls good and flat
- Shroud showed no signs of clipping - looks concentric
- This may be the problem - When I pushed a pellet though
- it seemed to offer resistance at the chamber end
- then very little resistance in the middle
- and a good deal of resistance at the muzzle
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Do the JB Bore Paste. Maybe 30-40 strokes. Then give it a cleaning till pull throughs are clean. Then give it a light moly lube via pull through. Hopefully this will remove any issues.
I really don't think this has anything to do with your reg, the hammer spring, etc. Your shots are pretty consistent and would not explain 2" groups.
The only option would be remove the shroud and shoot a group (maybe you did this already, it's a long thread) to see if you have clipping.
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How did the pellet look after you pushed it through? As long as the tight spot as the pellet enters the lands doesn’t damage it, you should be ok. How does the gun shoot when you single load it?
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You also have to consider that your pellet could be getting damaged by the transfer port. So screw in the barrel, chamber a pellet then push it back out. Check to see if it got a shave from the transfer port.
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KyPop, I've read your latest posts, and just have a brief comment. The transfer port is not a perfectly flat surface, but, it should not have any type of burr that could be deforming the pellets. The greater resistance you feel when chambering a pellet, and again at the muzzle is not unusual. Both the leade section of chamber, and the choked section near the muzzle will cause this feel, but it shouldn't be a problem. If there is anything in the TP or barrel that is damaging the pellet, it should be visible after you chamber a pellet and then push it through the barrel. I know that is a slow process with the Veteran due to its assembly design, since you have to remove the barrel after chambering a pellet (and please be sure the rifle is de-cocked at that point). Since that is a bit labor intensive, I doubt that the folks at the dealer did it. Regardless of the results, a couple of things seem obvious to me. First, you have experience with other Taipan Veteran rifles, so your comparisons should be valid. Secondly, you have put in a lot of time with standard trouble shooting procedures, and there seems to be no doubt that there is a problem with the rifle, probably the barrel. It would not be unreasonable at all to send it back, with documentation of the problem and the efforts at correction. Unless they find a specific issue and can document the fix, I would request a replacement rifle or barrel. Life's too short to spend so much time fussing over what appears to be an obvious problem.
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That’s no good in my opinion. Before taking it apart which may void the warranty, I’d request a different rifle.
In my humble opinion it’s completely unacceptable to expect you to straighten out an expensive gun that is shooting subpar.
If you are shooting accurately with the other rifles then it’s pretty much got to be the gun and not you.
I would explain to Travis that you aren’t new to shooting and that the rifle has issues, and that you request a different rifle.
Maybe even offer a restocking fee to help them out.
But definitely explain that you do not want to be stuck with a subpar rifle.
It’s just not right.
They shouldn’t be stuck with it either, but they can get barrels and do the straightening out work because they are dealers.
You should be a valued customer.
Good luck getting it figured out, that rifle should be getting half inch to 3/4 inch groups at 40 yards I would think.
Best of luck with the problem.
In my humble opinion it’s completely unacceptable to expect you to straighten out an expensive gun that is shooting subpar.
If you are shooting accurately with the other rifles then it’s pretty much got to be the gun and not you.
I would explain to Travis that you aren’t new to shooting and that the rifle has issues, and that you request a different rifle.
Maybe even offer a restocking fee to help them out.
But definitely explain that you do not want to be stuck with a subpar rifle.
It’s just not right.
They shouldn’t be stuck with it either, but they can get barrels and do the straightening out work because they are dealers.
You should be a valued customer.
Good luck getting it figured out, that rifle should be getting half inch to 3/4 inch groups at 40 yards I would think.
Best of luck with the problem.
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