Maybe I was too optimistic for my Taipan .177 Standard accuracy?

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If you want a similiar built rifle, you may try some of the other chezh made rifles, like a cricket, or vulcan? If you go for a litle longer tactical version, you will probably find a gun which is easier to shoot on the bench. I own both a taipan, and a vulcan 2 tactical in .177. The tactical vulcan is easier to shoot, and also feels good in the hands. My was setup from factory with a "standard " tune. Reg setting max out at about 920 fps, and does shoot good in the 800-900 fps range with a 10 grain pellet.
 
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I sent you a target which is fairly typical for my P35 in 177. My 25 caliber shoots about the same. My 22 caliber is the best shooter. I am happy with all my P35s but if I'm doing something like the 30 yard challenge I want the 22. I think you would need to be lucky to get a P35 in 177 that shoots much better than mine (but I would be happy for you if you did). I've never shot a Taipan but I suspect it has a better trigger than the P35 too. But if you spend a few minutes adjusting it, I think the P35 trigger is pretty good (I set mine to very light first stage and then reduce sear engagement a little to get them under 1 lb. It may be possible to stay safe and drop the weight to 1/2 lb or so).

It looks to me like SPA may have copied the Taipan (and cheapened it) in their P15. The P35 is a newer design that is mostly the same except for side cocking. I don't think my P35s are poorly made but I don't think they are as well made as a Taipan either. The arrangement of things is thus similar between a Taipan and a P15 - and the cocking lever is the only real difference between the P15 and P35.

I've always been intrigued by FX airguns and their barrels seem to be super easy to change and not terribly expensive (if you happened to get a bad one which seems unlikely). They don't work for me because I shoot from my left shoulder which places the magazine in my face on a FX bullpup.

It also would not be a very involved process to get another Taipan and accuracy test it. I think every manufacturer makes a "bad one" from time to time. But good manufacturers do not make very many of them. One of the first 3 groups I shot with my P35 in 22 was so small I thought something had gone wrong. The group looked just like a single pellet hole. I've never shot a group this small with another gun, PB or air powered. My point is just that it doesn't seem to take long to get a good feel for how a gun shoots.
 
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Franklink said:
I didn't read through the whole thread to see....but did you ever try pellets from more than just one batch?

I ask b/c some of what JSB is putting out these days is absolute junk and would explain your problem.
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Good point. I’m guilty of looking way too deep into some problems when its actually just something simple.
 
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KyPop said:
I just shipped the Taipan .177 back to UTAH AIRGUNS. When I returned home, I called Tony at Talon Tunes and ordered another Taipan .177 Standard with CZ barrel and he guaranteed me that it would shoot before it left his possession. I do believe he will be able to deliver on that.
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I've bought two Taipan rifles from Tony, and both turned out well. I think you will be satisfied.
 
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Franklink said:
I didn't read through the whole thread to see....but did you ever try pellets from more than just one batch?

I ask b/c some of what JSB is putting out these days is absolute junk and would explain your problem.
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I had 8 different tins, 4 of 8.4 and 4 of 10.34 but they all came from Pyramyd air. Just for kicks, I tried Crosman Premier 10's and I could barely keep them on a 3" target at 40 yards.
 
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KyPop said:
I had 8 different tins, 4 of 8.4 and 4 of 10.34 but they all came from Pyramyd air. Just for kicks, I tried Crosman Premier 10's and I could barely keep them on a 3" target at 40 yards.
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Thanks for the extra info. Yeah, even the CPs should have done better than that at only 40 yards.

They didn't happen to stick a .22 barrel in a .177 marked breach/gun did they?!?! lol
 
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JimD said:
Hard for me to believe a different batch of pellets would make a gun shoot groups that could be graciously called mediocre. I accept that there are differences but I don't think they are this large.

Now between brands....
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Unfortunately........
My best and worst batches of MRDs. Both JSB labeled .22/25.4 grain Monster RDs. Same gun, same setup, just different lot #s.
  • one will barely hit a piece of 8x11 paper at 90 yards
  • the other will shoot moa groups on 2 or 3 out of 6, 5 shot groups.
Dealing with those kind of pellet-induced results could sure make a guy question an untested gun as the source of the problem.
 
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Franklink said:
Unfortunately........
My best and worst batches of MRDs. Both JSB labeled .22/25.4 grain Monster RDs. Same gun, same setup, just different lot #s.
  • one will barely hit a piece of 8x11 paper at 90 yards
  • the other will shoot moa groups on 2 or 3 out of 6, 5 shot groups.
Dealing with those kind of pellet-induced results could sure make a guy question an untested gun as the source of the problem.
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I just got my Taipan .177 from Tony at Talon Tunes and he said he cleaned and tested it before he sent it so I hope to give it a try soon. It has a CZ barrel and I'm not sure if the other one did or not.
 
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JimD said:
Great! Did he include a target showing how it shot when he tested it (and what he tested it with)? Really hoping it makes nice tiny little groups.
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His groups at ~980 fps with JSB 8.4gr and 30 yards indoors looked good. But, mine at 40 yards with the same type pellet (not from the same tin as his) and outdoors aren't that great still. I switched scopes to be sure that the scope is not the culprit and it wasn't. I tried some different speeds again and nothing grouped well. It's extremely frustrating at this point but I'm going to try again this afternoon with the known good scope and his speed to see what I can do.

I figured that the only variable left at this point was bad JSB pellets so I called Pyramyd air and explained the situation to them. Surprisingly, they seemed to think that something else was going on besides the pellet and didn't recommend selling me different pellets. If anyone else has recently purchased a Taipan .177 Standard and has it shooting great at a distance, please let me know!!!!!!
 
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Franklink said:
Not meaning to be a smart arse after suggesting pellets and now wind......but has it been windy?

.177 can get blown around quite a bit, even at 40 yards.

I'm a horse before zebras guy I guess. No insult intended, just trying to help you figure it out.
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No problem. Yesterday afternoon it was dead still and no luck. Today there's a slight wind but almost all of my 40 yard range blocks the wind up to the last 6-7 yards. I'm waiting for later in the day when it calms down more.
The strangest thing about what I see when I shoot is that some of the time I see the pellet go right to the place I'm aiming and sometimes I see it go off wildly in another direction. I always follow through meaning I keep the cross hairs on the center of the target until after I see the pellet hit. My first guess would have been a broken scope but I eliminated that possibility by using a known good scope. My second guess would be a very bad or inconstant lot of pellets. Then, there's always the third possibility that Taipan quality control has suffered greatly recently. I doubt that but I can't be 100% certain.
 
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Franklink said:
So pellets....maybe.

Any other tins/brands/weights in .177 on hand to test against?
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No and when I called Pyramyd air the person I talked to said I don't want to sell you anymore pellets because it sounds like something else is going on here beside pellet pickiness. I asked about FX and Air Arms pellets and they said that those pellets come from the same factory as the JSB pellets. I assume that they meant that those pellet brands would be the same quality or maybe even the same pellet as the JSB.
 
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