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SqrlHntr said:
“…and your targets are way overbuilt for a 20ft-lb muzzle energy limit even though you state they can go down to 12ft-lbs. The over 20ft-lbs capability is wasted on traditional FT venues and matches.” This can be interpreted by potential customers that an actual design feature, which contributes to the durability and lifespan of the product, is of no value to the end user and is thus wasted money. The large targets can take up to a 22LR and can go down to 12fpe which, if allowing the above statement to go unchecked, would follow that its also wasted to have a more durable, longer lasting and dual-class target. The statement “We are lucky that we have a large inventory of these targets, or we couldn't afford to get started and be able to run two courses of targets if we had to purchase MDT or S&S targets.” suggests to a potential club or quantity buyers that our targets are unaffordable and thus not as accessible than other targets. Not a statement anyone on this thread can accurately make because nobody in this thread has asked for a quantity quote.

@Centercut -We do rest knowing they are the best. But we also have to defend our product from unsupported statements that attempt to cheapen or lessen the reputation of our targets and detract from potential business. Im sure your sponsor would be defensive if similar unchecked statements were made regarding the targets they offer.

@cavedweller-Im sure this thread was not intended for this type of discussion, for that, I apologize for my part. You marked it with a RESOURCES tag.

@Michael - same.

If anyone wishes to do a target specific thread in another thread/section comparing features and functionality of targets, I’m sure a lively and colorful discussion will develop. All we say is Dare to Compare.

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I'm truly sorry to reply to this thread but I feel like part of this is directed at me for some reason. I would like to point out that I did ask for a quantity quote and I was told that I have to open a business account to get a quote. Not complaining, you can run your business however you want. But it might be more accurate to say "nobody in this thread has been given a quantity quote".

I think we can agree on two things: Your targets are very nice and our club can't afford them. I'll add them to the list of all of the other nice things I can't afford.
 
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Sturkis said:
I could use scrap metal and cobble something together that would maybe work 3/4 time. Paint a fancy faceplate and call it good. Wouldn’t be interchangeable and wouldn’t be interchangeable reducers. Gamo targets are $40 they work for a while but end up breaking. I can’t tell people what to spend their money on. But if you want the best and most reliable the you don’t go to Walmart to get it. Steel isn’t any cheaper and neither is labor and consumables. If you can make one and hand fit every one and use quality materials then bring it on. Never said I has going to get rich doing it but wanted to prove they could be made better
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I was going to stay out of this p!$$ing match but your statement about Gamo targets is the same statement you were complaining about. I have 37 zombie, rat on the run and squirrel targets. Installed the spring mod so they don't hangup that Scotchmo came up with. Have been outside for 4 years and have had ZERO failures. I do paint them occasionally. So, saying that Gamo targets will eventually fail. Could you expand on that, how long before my 37 bad Gamo targets fail? I'm sure your targets are the greatest thing since sliced bread but knocking outher target suppliers, to promote yours is not good business as you stated earlier. I think most were just making the point that some, like me, could not afford 12,970 plus shipping for the 37 targets l have. I wish you well in your business. Don
 
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scotton said:
I'm truly sorry to reply to this thread but I feel like part of this is directed at me for some reason. I would like to point out that I did ask for a quantity quote and I was told that I have to open a business account to get a quote. Not complaining, you can run your business however you want. But it might be more accurate to say "nobody in this thread has been given a quantity quote".

I think we can agree on two things: Your targets are very nice and our club can't afford them. I'll add them to the list of all of the other nice things I can't afford.
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You had asked for ballpark numbers for budgeting reasons and without anymore specifics besides a quantity. To which I responded that without any more details or idea of what you want (custom cuts, paint schemes, reducers, powder coating, shipping etc) , a ballpark number is very hard give for budgeting purposes. I asked to have a representative of the ASC contact me and for you to get together an idea of what you want in addition to the quantity and we can discuss purchase price and other purchasing options. Businesses are able to access different pricing and terms than individuals, hence the request for a business account since the ASC is incorporated. Im simply trying to get ASC the best pricing. Asking any business or entity to set up a simple account to have a point of contact to establish a communication channel (email chain) to conduct business is not out of the ordinary but if you would prefer, I would be glad to contact the club directly and explain that you and Jeff were interested in attaining a quote for a set of targets. Let me know who to contact and I’d be happy to assist. In the meantime decide what design of faceplates you are thinking of, custom/ unique ones or more traditional ones like a bear, squirrel etc., the number of additional reducers and powder coating, and we can start to get ASC some working numbers and purchase options.
 
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Scotchmo said:
The 2024 WFTF match is to be held in Arizona. The hosting club’s current target inventory is not well suited for that match, so they will likely be getting new targets. A full set for that match is 159 targets (includes 9 backup targets). I’m curious what targets they will select to use.
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Garrett has chosen a US target maker, but I'll let him share the source if he decides to do so.
 
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Cloud9AG said:
...and they are the most expensive field targets ever.
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Price is not an issue for me
I always choose the highest quality products made from the best materials
Too often people forget the amount of time and energy it takes to MAKE something, of the highest quality, especially from scratch here in the USA.
 
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Cloud9AG said:
I believe that other targets (Rhino, Knockover, Yegua) are as good as yours, but you have the most expensive ones and that was my initial post. Extreme FT is a smaller audience than traditional FT, and your targets are way overbuilt for a 20ft-lb muzzle energy limit even though you state they can go down to 12ft-lbs. The over 20ft-lbs capability is wasted on traditional FT venues and matches.

I do have one question, do your targets fall at 6ft-lbs energy at the paddle? This is what a pellet fired from a 12ft-lb muzzle energy gun will have at 55 yards. Thanks for a response.
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Yes, according to the ones I own, yes they will fall at 6ftlbs
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cavedweller said:
Price is not an issue for me
I always choose the highest quality products made from the best materials
Too often people forget the amount of time and energy it takes to MAKE something, of the highest quality, especially from scratch here in the USA.
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@cavedweller you are in the minority as am I. My point from the beginning was that the FT clubs cannot survive purchasing targets that are more than $100 each, and Airgunners are cheap by nature too! I tell all prospective new clubs to purchase Gamos that are $25 each, and weld the reducers in place, do the simple bolt upgrades and spring mods so that they are reliable. You can buy a whole course of targets (30) for under $1000. Ron Robinson is using 10 year old Gamos that ASC donated to CTGC for his AAFTA-style matches, and he hasn’t had any issues, so matches can successfully happen with targets that clearly aren’t the best.
 
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Cloud9AG said:
@cavedweller you are in the minority as am I. My point from the beginning was that the FT clubs cannot survive purchasing targets that are more than $100 each, and Airgunners are cheap by nature too! I tell all prospective new clubs to purchase Gamos that are $25 each, and weld the reducers in place, do the simple bolt upgrades and spring mods so that they are reliable. You can buy a whole course of targets (30) for under $1000. Ron Robinson is using 10 year old Gamos that ASC donated to CTGC for his AAFTA-style matches, and he hasn’t had any issues, so matches can successfully happen with targets that clearly aren’t the best.
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This may seem silly - or not - but the sound a target makes when you hit it and it falls has a large impact on “hooking” new shooters. Just like the cool kooky designs of a faceplate - It’s a behavioral science thing! It’s addictive in nature!!!
For me, I’d buy a target if it could electronically score my card AND send points to my AAFTA frequent shooter account🥴
We often fail to grow, because we fail to dream big enough. We limit ourselves and our clubs by assuming what others can afford. It’s pretty tough just finding new shooters. Even harder finding people to help maintain what we already have.
Imagine if the poorer clubs had lane sponsors, people or businesses who bought the targets and sponsored a lane? This would require a tremendous investment in people selling the sport - AAFTA and other airgun shooting organizations are definitely lacking in this department.
In the end, Yes they are just metal targets, and yes, Field Target, and all things associated with it, are relatively unique new sports in the USA; but within the airgun industry we continue to see our toys getting more bells and whistles and thus more expensive every year - don’t follow the trend - be the trend, damn the torpedoes full speed ahead.
I am reminded that to reach the most people you must remain accessible to the majority of people while remaining intriguing and exciting.
Maybe someday my KZ rate will exceed 44% but until then I’ll have a hellofalot of fun missing my pricey targets.
It is a little known fact that James Bond while being the best dressed and best outfitted spy, was a TERRIBLE shot🙄You can’t buy accuracy, but you can look good and laugh hard when you miss. Peace to all, especially those who can afford to donate their time or money to make our world a better place.
 
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That's an interesting take. I'm the opposite, in that I couldn't care less about the face plate. The only thing on the face plate that has any interest for me is the kill zone and seeing where other people are missing. The face plate is actually the enemy. If it was up to me, we would put out 30 yellow squares with black paddles. The squares would need to be randomly sized so people couldn't bracket off of them. Or not, having the face plates one size would help the people that don't like the range finding aspect of field target. I would also consolidate the zill zone sizes: 1 1/2", 1", 3/4", 1/2". No more weird eighth inch increments. Does this make me odd? Sure. But as someone who has to carry a large box with 40 different colors of spray paint, Sharpies and paint markers to prepare a course, sometimes I dream of the "easy button". But interesting and varied faceplates is probably why 3D archery is much more popular than field archery.

Jeff, on the other hand, delights in face plate designs. The wackier the better. I think they appeal to his inner child. My inner child is locked in my inner basement, sewing Nikes for the inner sweat shop.

And just to humble brag, we have had two target failures this year out of about 100 targets. One was a Rhino that needed to have a set screw turned out about a turn so the paddle would reset properly. The other was also a Rhino that broke a pin when the target was dropped into the bucket after the shoot. Total time with a cold line, about 2 minutes. Every other cold line has been a string failure or a leader getting shot. If we really want to reduce cold lines we need to quit trying to improve the targets and work on improving the strings. Strings get tangled and shot and are a pain to wind up at the end of the day. I spend a disproportionate amount of my day thinking of better ways to reset targets.
 
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scotton said:
That's an interesting take. I'm the opposite, in that I couldn't care less about the face plate. The only thing on the face plate that has any interest for me is the kill zone and seeing where other people are missing. The face plate is actually the enemy. If it was up to me, we would put out 30 yellow squares with black paddles. The squares would need to be randomly sized so people couldn't bracket off of them. Or not, having the face plates one size would help the people that don't like the range finding aspect of field target. I would also consolidate the zill zone sizes: 1 1/2", 1", 3/4", 1/2". No more weird eighth inch increments. Does this make me odd? Sure. But as someone who has to carry a large box with 40 different colors of spray paint, Sharpies and paint markers to prepare a course, sometimes I dream of the "easy button". But interesting and varied faceplates is probably why 3D archery is much more popular than field archery.

Jeff, on the other hand, delights in face plate designs. The wackier the better. I think they appeal to his inner child. My inner child is locked in my inner basement, sewing Nikes for the inner sweat shop.

And just to humble brag, we have had two target failures this year out of about 100 targets. One was a Rhino that needed to have a set screw turned out about a turn so the paddle would reset properly. The other was also a Rhino that broke a pin when the target was dropped into the bucket after the shoot. Total time with a cold line, about 2 minutes. Every other cold line has been a string failure or a leader getting shot. If we really want to reduce cold lines we need to quit trying to improve the targets and work on improving the strings. Strings get tangled and shot and are a pain to wind up at the end of the day. I spend a disproportionate amount of my day thinking of better ways to reset targets.
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Ohhh i like the way you think.... hey a shout out to all ya'll target makers listen to what scotton just said - variety is the spice of life.
and to ALL you radio control wizards.... make us an R.C, resetting tartget! There is a reason i use lots of Paul Porch's self resetting targets at home... i am lazy about strings, especially good at shooting them.
 
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Scotchmo said:
The 2024 WFTF match is to be held in Arizona. The hosting club’s current target inventory is not well suited for that match, so they will likely be getting new targets. A full set for that match is 159 targets (includes 9 backup targets). I’m curious what targets they will select to use.
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Peter Brooks designed a target for the 2024 World FT Championship. According to Garrett, it will cost about $100 each. I was able to examine the sample in South Africa. I think you can easily use the same target for 50 FPE air guns. I want to purchase at least two of them to try them out over the winter at my club.
 
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