Mediocre guns...we have all bought 1 or 2
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https://www.airgunnation.com/threads/shot-my-510-challenger-bullpup.1297761/Upvote 0
I don't get over to the pcp side of the forum much. Looks like a good read. Your contribution has not gone unnoticed.Sure thing, enjoy the reading
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I would add another option to the list of choices...
5) Accept the gun for what is and enjoy using it within it's limitations and capabilities.
I think that "Mediocre" is relative to our expectations.
With the information available these days, there's no reason not to have a good idea of what can be realistically expected from a product.
From the perspective that every gun is a "tack driver" WITHIN IT'S EFFECTIVE RANGE (that range may be measured in inches, feet or yards
) it's up to to shooter to use it appropriately.
For example, my .22 caliber, 700mm FX Panthera is tuned to 60ish fpe. It would be inadequate for ground squirrels at 250 yards, mediocre at 150 yards, pretty good at 100 yards and total over-kill at 50. I bought the Panthera for 100 yard plinking (one inch spinners), a .25 or a .30 would be "better" but the. 22 is more economical to shoot and I like the challenge. Works for me!
As a carry-around work gun (for pesting) my .22 Maximus great! On the other hand I'm not so impressed with my S510 and Wolverine R, guess that I was expecting "more" from them. All three have the same effect range and accuracy. The expensive guns are much prettier though
Each to their own eh?
Cheers!
5) Accept the gun for what is and enjoy using it within it's limitations and capabilities.
I think that "Mediocre" is relative to our expectations.
With the information available these days, there's no reason not to have a good idea of what can be realistically expected from a product.
From the perspective that every gun is a "tack driver" WITHIN IT'S EFFECTIVE RANGE (that range may be measured in inches, feet or yards
) it's up to to shooter to use it appropriately. For example, my .22 caliber, 700mm FX Panthera is tuned to 60ish fpe. It would be inadequate for ground squirrels at 250 yards, mediocre at 150 yards, pretty good at 100 yards and total over-kill at 50. I bought the Panthera for 100 yard plinking (one inch spinners), a .25 or a .30 would be "better" but the. 22 is more economical to shoot and I like the challenge. Works for me!
As a carry-around work gun (for pesting) my .22 Maximus great! On the other hand I'm not so impressed with my S510 and Wolverine R, guess that I was expecting "more" from them. All three have the same effect range and accuracy. The expensive guns are much prettier though
Each to their own eh?
Cheers!
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Just buy the best you can afford and don’t pull your hair out. No sense in struggling with turd quality guns unless you’re into that. Nothing wrong with projects if you have the time and patience.
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Project guns are good to have around, for when the in-laws come over for an over welcomed stay, you have a good reason to be in the garage, fixing things that need fixing.
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100%, fact is most air guns aren't really designed for much over 50 yards without modifying one way or another.I would add another option to the list of choices...
5) Accept the gun for what is and enjoy using it within it's limitations and capabilities.
I think that "Mediocre" is relative to our expectations.
With the information available these days, there's no reason not to have a good idea of what can be realistically expected from a product.
From the perspective that every gun is a "tack driver" WITHIN IT'S EFFECTIVE RANGE (that range may be measured in inches, feet or yards
For example, my .22 caliber, 700mm FX Panthera is tuned to 60ish fpe. It would be inadequate for ground squirrels at 250 yards, mediocre at 150 yards, pretty good at 100 yards and total over-kill at 50. I bought the Panthera for 100 yard plinking (one inch spinners), a .25 or a .30 would be "better" but the. 22 is more economical to shoot and I like the challenge. Works for me!
As a carry-around work gun (for pesting) my .22 Maximus great! On the other hand I'm not so impressed with my S510 and Wolverine R, guess that I was expecting "more" from them. All three have the same effect range and accuracy. The expensive guns are much prettier though
Each to their own eh?
Cheers!
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I have been fortunate with the four PCPs I've purchased; I've never regretted buying them. The Avenger 25 cal, 257 Texan, 308 Texan, and AEA Big 9 Standard have all served me well.
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Agreed, many airguns are designed for casual shooters who typically plink tin cans at under 20 yards.
Think that most good modern PCPs (and a number of springers) are minute-of-a-pest (1 inch / 2 MOA) capable at 50 yards if the gun is properly set up and the shooter is consistent. MOA groups (stacked pellets) at 25 yards is pretty typical.
Back when I first started shooting pellet guns (1960s) one inch groups at 20 yards was considered impressive. But then any pellet that fit was good enough and cheaper was better. LOL!
It was a picture of a dime-sized 10 shot group at 40 yards that brought me back to airgunning - I thought that that was amazing/impossible at the time.
These days, 1/2" 10 shot groups at 50 yards is not unreasonable. Many PCPs can deliver (shooter permitting) pest-sized 1" groups out to 70-80 yards without problems and even to 90-100 yards on a good day.
Cheers!
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FWB 124, bought it because of the hype....sold it because of the reality.
It may have been "The gun" in the day. But there are much better and less expensive guns available that out preform it in every way!
It may have been "The gun" in the day. But there are much better and less expensive guns available that out preform it in every way!
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Yes, but... I have owned two for the past 40 years and you got to remember, back in the day these were the Caddilacs of airguns and I killed a lot of pests out to 50y, offhand, on the regular. They earned the hype by me, that's for sure. You are very much correct though, they cannot compare to even an entry level pcp anymore. I won't make excuses for them today, but I stll respect what they were compared to everything else at the time, and pull them out for nostalgia every now and then.
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You saw it, there was something about it you like so you took a chance and bought it. Safe bet you already knew you'd get one of 2 things:
- 1: A surprise because it turned out to be a good shooter out of the box
- 2: Not surprised because you got what part of you was expecting to get when you ordered it
Depending what you spent, since let's face it even the higher end guns anymore need work done out of the box and the stories are here to back that up, you either trot it off to a tuner to work their magic or, for many of us, do things yourself.
Bevel the breech, fix the crown, strip down and all the usual internal tweaks whether you made the parts yourself or bought a kit. Clean and polish the barrel and trigger and any other pieces you think need it. Not all, but most of that doesn't take anything more than time and supplies a good lot of us already have on hand.
Just my usual lame, random thought, but there are no mediocre rifles, just rifles I haven't tinkered with to make them better than they were when I got them.
- 1: A surprise because it turned out to be a good shooter out of the box
- 2: Not surprised because you got what part of you was expecting to get when you ordered it
Depending what you spent, since let's face it even the higher end guns anymore need work done out of the box and the stories are here to back that up, you either trot it off to a tuner to work their magic or, for many of us, do things yourself.
Bevel the breech, fix the crown, strip down and all the usual internal tweaks whether you made the parts yourself or bought a kit. Clean and polish the barrel and trigger and any other pieces you think need it. Not all, but most of that doesn't take anything more than time and supplies a good lot of us already have on hand.
Just my usual lame, random thought, but there are no mediocre rifles, just rifles I haven't tinkered with to make them better than they were when I got them.
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Mediocre is subjective.
I only fool with old springers I find interesting.
I think the issue of mediocrity is people expect too much out of things, thinking that if they spend more money "it just HAS to get better, right!?!?"
Is it really mediocre or are you just disappointed in your purchase?
I only fool with old springers I find interesting.
I think the issue of mediocrity is people expect too much out of things, thinking that if they spend more money "it just HAS to get better, right!?!?"
Is it really mediocre or are you just disappointed in your purchase?
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