️ About what year did that design change happen with the DFL?
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Not sure, but my older moderator was probably 3-4 years old.
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Moderator for 50 fpe?
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Not sure, but my older moderator was probably 3-4 years old.
Maybe when they started listing as .22/.25, meaning .22 for shrouded and .25 direct thread. This would make the bore bigger.
Matthias
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What was your setup when the STO didn’t work? Do you have a favorite moderator besides the old Sumo?
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I can tell you the Buck Rail el cheapo moderator doesn't play well with higher power. They didn't help quite my 30 fpe 22 down much at all when I had one. They do good on lower power and co2, but they get very snappy over 20ish fpe.
My tanto took a beating on a 2500 Sam Yang carbine 25 cal doing 80 fpe. Was blowing the felt out the relief holes lol. The koi held up to the 80 better than the tanto, but the giant Maglite style Niel Clague I had on it made it basement/backyard quiet.
My tanto took a beating on a 2500 Sam Yang carbine 25 cal doing 80 fpe. Was blowing the felt out the relief holes lol. The koi held up to the 80 better than the tanto, but the giant Maglite style Niel Clague I had on it made it basement/backyard quiet.
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i dont think fpe has much to do with it ..my modded .25 mrod is doing 60+ and is quiet with just the stock shroud .. ping is louder than the report and thats 'with' a depinger .... what could be done is wrap the muzzle end of the gun up in an old towel (being safe of course) to determine just how much of that noise is actually coming from the muzzle, might be revealing ...
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The koi made it tolerable in the basement shooting 10 foot from pellet trap for chrony testing on that 80 fpe.
At 55 fpe on a 16" barrel 300 bar gun, it's quieter than the action.
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I tried it on my crown and impact, it work ok on my impact shooting .25 caliber shooting at around 80fpe but nothing to write home about. Where it really didn't work was when I tried to use it on my 11fpe 177 backyard gun, I want mouse fart quiet for my suburban backyard and willing to pay for it but nothing outside of the old sumo worked. I got fed up after buying 20 different moderators from everyone and failing for my low power application so I just 3D printed my own. I got my 3D printed moderators pretty darn quiet, surprisingly it is even holding up on my 110 fpe Dynamic.
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I would very much like to see more about your 3D printed moderator. If you are not willing to show the inside design, then the outside dimensions would be interesting. Do you have an insert in a structural tube, or is the print its own casing?
Thanks
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That’s what I’m afraid of, buying another and being disappointed over and over.
Did you get the High Flow or Moderate Core? STO said I should go with the Moderate, but now I’m skeptical about the design.
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It’s a pretty standard size of 35mm x 165mm. Sorry, I like to keep the internal design less public but honestly it’s really nothing special in design but with some secret sauce tweaking. LOL
It has its limits too, if the gun isn’t efficient it doesn’t work as well unless I go really long like 200mm or 8 inch in length, but at that length I can quiet down even guns with a mean bark.
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Thats not good at all and they still told you you’re not pushing it hard enough at 80fpe. Well that rules STO out.
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Is there really any gun or moderator combo on the market that's going to turn 80+ fpe into a mouse fart? It's hard to believe at that power, a gun is going to just go 'click'.
Unless you have a very long shroud and staged baffles, I don't see how we can get these guns to be uber quiet when they're cranked to the ceiling. Unless they're hammerless, I'm sure just the action will make enough noise you're going to hear it within a certain distance.
My neighbors know I shoot in my yard, and I moderate my guns to preserve my hearing, and also make it not so "call the cops honey!" loud. One has questioned the power output because of the pellet thwack on the trap, but I used my jedi mind powers and tricked him into believing its the echo off the fencing that makes it so thumpy!
Unless you have a very long shroud and staged baffles, I don't see how we can get these guns to be uber quiet when they're cranked to the ceiling. Unless they're hammerless, I'm sure just the action will make enough noise you're going to hear it within a certain distance.
My neighbors know I shoot in my yard, and I moderate my guns to preserve my hearing, and also make it not so "call the cops honey!" loud. One has questioned the power output because of the pellet thwack on the trap, but I used my jedi mind powers and tricked him into believing its the echo off the fencing that makes it so thumpy!
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They say the two loudest sounds in the world are when a gun goes click when you expect it to go bang. And when it goes bang, when you expected a click...
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Actually they told me I’m not pushing enough power/air at 11pm, I tried at 30-40fpe and still not that impressed. On my 80 FPE impact the sto isn’t really quieter than my printed moderator or big sumo, slightly different tone but don’t think it’s quieter. YMMV
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Had one, it was fine. I had to use only three of the four segments on a few different guns or the groups opened up.
It was about the same as my Falx, just a bit sharper tone to my ear.
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