Saw this in a magazine today. Dang, that’s some serious baffling. All that stuff fits inside. Model is Orion X.
Intended for a PB.
Intended for a PB.
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Yeah, every winter fish go to seminars to learn not to attack last seasons lures or color schemes. Smart creatures.You ever hear the one about the fishing lure that was designed to catch fishermen?
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Here’s a better picture of the assembled guts. I’m guessing there’s upwards of $75 machining cost in that baby. 
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Kinda reminds me of a toy I had as a kid. Drop a marble at the top and watch it snake its way to the bottom.Here’s a better picture of the assembled guts. I’m guessing there’s upwards of $75 machining cost in that baby.
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Thought rcs9250 was kidding about the price..
tried to put one in the shopping cart and they’re “out of stock”. Go figureUpvote 0
It is what they call a flow through design. Flow through designs are very big on semi/full auto's, lots of benefits to flow through on them, but generally a little less sound suppression at the muzzle but less at shooters ear on semi's. I don't know of any of them that don't use 3d metal printing, you couldn't sell one made with normal machining due to the costs that would be associated with it. Not to mention, most contain design details that simply cannot be machined.
Edited: Never heard of this one and looked it up, turns out that by having several parts with this particular design, they are able to fully CNC the internals and do not use 3d printing on the orion. Learn something new all the time.
Edited: Never heard of this one and looked it up, turns out that by having several parts with this particular design, they are able to fully CNC the internals and do not use 3d printing on the orion. Learn something new all the time.
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When the Alphabet org shows up all ya got to do is have that sitting on the shelf as modern art. Or tell em it's a prop for a sifi movie.
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When the Alphabet org shows up all ya got to do is have that sitting on the shelf as modern art.
Considering the typical brainwashed IQ of a govt employee you could just attach a wire to it and a radio and tell them it’s an omni directional antenna.
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One does not need a degree to recognize a "shiny doodad". That is a "shiny doodad". That is what someone with a really overactive imagination and a gift for CAD cooks up. If you asked him to analyze it, he could give you a 4 hour seminar on precisely which path every molecule of air travels.
Buy one, try it on a PB. You will discover within a hundred rounds the definition of carbon fouling.
Buy one, try it on a PB. You will discover within a hundred rounds the definition of carbon fouling.
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MrP,
I saw this thread and decided to remain silent. Now that someone wants to know, here goes:
If a design works, is light, short, slim and cheap; then it is good. No matter what I think of it.
The design reminds of Fiddler on the roof's song; "If I were a rich man". Specifically the bit about having three stair cases. "One for going up. One for going down. And one just for show."
It also reminds me of the movie Amadeus. The official music critic was asked what he thought of Mozart's latest piece. His reply, "too many notes".
So, the designs seems to have many confusing details. Perhaps it confuses the gas trying to leave better than anything else. In which case, we go back "if it works, then it is good". If it works well, how many shots until it is clogged? And how long does it take to clean it?
The unit pictured may have been CNC machined - I think I see overlapping swirls in some areas. It may be cheaper to use sintered 3D metal printing for production. To me, it looks heavy, with too much space occupied by solid volume.
Now, you you can see why I decided to remain silent on this one. Until you asked
I will add this; if anyone is adamant that this design would be great for a PCP, I say generate a design facsimile, print it, and try it. I think that some of those pump impeller ideas have merit. But then so did those designs that Maxim patented in 1909: https://patents.google.com/patent/US916885
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The new 3d metal printed powder burner suppressors are really showing the progress that can be done with suppression. If that technology can be crossed over to airguns then that is a plus. Allowing more routes to slow the gases down before exiting the suppressor really helps with sound reduction in a smaller package.
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Joe,
With PBs the goal is generally "hearing safe", and making the location of the sound harder to detect. With airguns, the goal is generally backyard friendly. The latter is more difficult to achieve; while the former is a misnomer. More like losing your hearing at a lower rate. Unless you also use hearing protection with your suppressor; or limit the number of shots with suppressor only.
Sure, shooting a dozen shots at 130 dB is much better for your ears, than at 165 dB. But, any sound that makes your ears ring, or that leaves you with a headache is causing some degree of hearing loss. My ears seem fine, but my ability hear higher frequencies is attenuated.
I have tried many different 3D printable airgun muffler designs. I have come full circle to simple designs. Because they are very nearly as good as very complex designs, with the simpler ones fitting into smaller and lighter packages. That is not to say that you could not do it. You may be about to make a breakthrough by skill or luck, that will stun the airgun world into silence
With PBs the goal is generally "hearing safe", and making the location of the sound harder to detect. With airguns, the goal is generally backyard friendly. The latter is more difficult to achieve; while the former is a misnomer. More like losing your hearing at a lower rate. Unless you also use hearing protection with your suppressor; or limit the number of shots with suppressor only.
Sure, shooting a dozen shots at 130 dB is much better for your ears, than at 165 dB. But, any sound that makes your ears ring, or that leaves you with a headache is causing some degree of hearing loss. My ears seem fine, but my ability hear higher frequencies is attenuated.
I have tried many different 3D printable airgun muffler designs. I have come full circle to simple designs. Because they are very nearly as good as very complex designs, with the simpler ones fitting into smaller and lighter packages. That is not to say that you could not do it. You may be about to make a breakthrough by skill or luck, that will stun the airgun world into silence
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